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"If there were no interests, why Germany and United States meddled into the Balkan mess before the hell broke loose, while the hell was raging and after the peace has setled?"

Because if no one "meddles" and all hell breaks loose then everyone turns around and says "Why didn't we do anything?" To suggest that Yugoslavia was of huge economic interest is beyond absurd.

"Forcible change of Yugoslavia borders was approved by international community led by Germany and the U.S. although it was against Helsinki accord. Both Germany and U.S. were signatories of Helsinki accord."

Croats and Muslims wanted to leave Yugoslavia and Serbs didn't. Their differences were irreconcileable regardless of what any outsider said or did. To blame it all on others is to deflect attention away from those who used violence to achieve their aims.

"U.S. Ambassador Warren Zimermann persuaded Bosnian Muslim leader to retract signature on a EU-brokered peace plan and as a result Bosnian civil war broke out"

The Croats withdrew their signature first, Muslims second. In fact there are some who claim that nothing was actually signed at all - merely an agreement to talk some more. The Serbs were laying claim to Bihac for God's sake! How do you think a workable agreement was in place?

"PR firms such as Rudder Fin and Hill & Knowlton were given permission by US DOS to accept one side of Balkan conflict as a client and refuse the other. As a result, the most vile smear campaign ensued, fanning the flames of Balkan conflict ("genocide" "holocaust" "belsen in bosnia" "death camps""

There were many exagerations in the war - but the Serbs lost their own PR war by seizing 2/3 of Bosnia and cleansing the East and North. That's what won the Muslims so much sympathy, not Rudder Finn.

"Clinton administration sided with Iranian Mullahs to secretly arm islamists in Bosnia. US military cargo planes were used to haul arms to Bosnia in breach of UN EMBARGO"

If there's no UN embargo leaving the Muslims almost defenceless against the JNA-backed Serbs then there's no Iranian arms shipments. Sorry if the USA didn't allow the Serbs to dominate the battlefield!

"NATO bombed Bosnian Serbs although Bosnia is not NATO member country nor attacking another NATO country. It was against NATO charter."

UN did bugger all so it was left to NATO. Speasking of which, Serb aid to the war in Bosnia (weapons, Arkan etc)was technically illegal as well.

"Clinton administration was behind the largest ethnic cleansing of the 1990's , expulsion of more than 250,000 Serbs from Krajina region in 1995."

Could have sworn those were Croat troops who carried out Operation Storm. Guess they were actually Marines. Croats were going to invade Krajina regardless of Clinton's green light. 200,000+ troops had massed since 1992 for the attack. You seem to think that no one in the Balkans was able to make any decisions on their own without permission from the USA or Germany. Lack of permissiom sure didn't stop the Serbs from doing what they wanted and it wouldn't have stopped the Croats either. USA wanted a balance of power and so they backed the Croats. Doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened regardless. A violent end to the Croatian stalemate was inevitable.

"Clinton administration armed and equipped terrorists in Kosovo in a bid to provoke war"

Bull. Weapons came from Albania and exiles in the Weat. I've seen no proof of US-government sanctioned aid. Serb oppression of Albanians was all the need the KLA needed to pick a fight. Again you pretend that the policies and actions of the participants was of no influence on the war.

"Clinton administration deliberatelly caused war over Kosovo under false pretense of "humanitarian intervention"

They went in to prevent another Bosnia and the whining that would come with not stepping in were it to happen. You probably think it was to build pipelines and open Starbucks.

"International community condones ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and violation of human rights of all non-albanian citizens in Kosovo province."

You can't police 100% of the place and eliminate ethnic hatreds that stem from a long history of bloody conflict and animosity. Again, to blame it all on the West is overy simplistic but convenient for Serb nationalists who want no responsibility for what happened.

"Last but not least, support to jaundiced justice of the Hague, instead of trial of criminals in domestic courts ensures the ethnic hatreds will continue in the next generation."

They kill eachother to the tune of 60,000-100,000 and hatred will continue because of a UN/NATO trial. Uh huh.

"When all else fails, follow the money. So far, more than 100 Billion was spent to stabilize Bosnia, and bilions were spent for destruction of Serbia infrastructure. All this expense could be saved if there was no meddling from the outside. No one spends billions without having good reason. if they do, please let me know, I could put a billion or two to good use."

Yup, the West started at least three wars so they could blow $100 billion+ just for the hell of it. It's not the West's fault that some wanted independence and some didn't.

Take some responsibility for your own actions!

Agreed that the locals should take responsiblity for their our actions.

However, in the case of Yugoslavia, Clinton supported the most extremist elements possible. Whenever there was a chance at achieving peace, The Clinton White House actively scuttled the peace plan and convinced both the Bosnian Jihadists & the KLA to take even more extreme positions.

Clinton spent some 5 billion on Alija Iztbegovic's un-elected regime. All the while Clinton sidelined the moderate Muslim, Fikret Abdic, who just happened to have won the Presidential election.

Instead of supporting the legally elected Bosnian President Abdic, Clinton supported the xenophobic Iztbegovic.

The locals bear much blame, but the Clinton White House bears just as much for their lavish support of the most extreme elements out there.

A book recommendation for the weekend:

No escape zone by Nick Richardson

London : Little, Brown, 2000

Reveals the experiences of Fleet Air Arm pilot Nick Richardson after being shot down behind Serb lines during a mission over Gorazde. Lined up to take out two Serb tanks on a ridge above the town, Richardson's sea Harrier was hit by a missile and he was picked up by a group of Muslim militia. DR1313.8 RIC

The book is about 1994 Gorazde episode when British SAS was fighting on Muslim side and requested air support. The catch? SAS operated under the guise of UN observers.

It was not only local savages killing each other, it was Brits and others helping them do it more efficiently.

As you said, we should take our own responsibility.