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Feds seize family's ranch
WND ^ | 2-10-04 | Henry Lamb

Posted on 02/10/2004 12:38:39 AM PST by JustPiper

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1 posted on 02/10/2004 12:38:40 AM PST by JustPiper
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2 posted on 02/10/2004 12:39:00 AM PST by JustPiper (Al-Qaeda has no return address - Close Our Borders !!!)
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3 posted on 02/10/2004 12:39:33 AM PST by JustPiper (Al-Qaeda has no return address - Close Our Borders !!!)
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To: JustPiper
Big gubmint and envirowhackos.

Someone will eventually say "enough" and get waco'ed for it.



4 posted on 02/10/2004 12:45:35 AM PST by Stopislamnow
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To: JustPiper
Hey, you can trust the government, just ask an Indian!
5 posted on 02/10/2004 12:48:25 AM PST by thecabal
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To: JustPiper
These ranchers are from the same stock of ranchers who pushed the United States all the way to the Pacific ocean; once riled, they may push the Forest Service all the way back to Washington.

Here's to hoping, folks - let the hard-in-the-head and soft-in-the-ass bureaucrats in Washington know that 'flyover country' will give them a bloody nose if they don't respect who sent 'em there in the first place.

6 posted on 02/10/2004 12:49:11 AM PST by Viking2002
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To: JustPiper
An amazing story. I hope he wins.
7 posted on 02/10/2004 12:49:46 AM PST by Capitalist Eric (Arrogance is permitted on my computer... but it will be graded for wits.)
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To: JustPiper
What is the meaning of Federal land exactly? How is it justified? Nationalization by the back door? If you do not comply, you lose your business or we take it?

I find it hard to see individuals labeled as criminals for grazing productive cows around while government doctrine and legalese seems to have the upper hand. Is this a case of "Give me liberty or give me death?"

I do not see anything harmful or illegal that this man is doing. Cue me in, Feds.
8 posted on 02/10/2004 12:57:06 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: thecabal
Hey, you can trust the government, just ask an Indian!

Or a PC usettled white man today, as a matter of fact.

9 posted on 02/10/2004 12:58:27 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: JustPiper
Here is a link the the official site of the Wildlands Project, it is mostly a bunch of BS marketing speak:
Wildlands Project

Here is a site which I found that shows the agenda of the Wildlands Project, which is to lock away at least 50% of the land in the US from any human contact:
Wildlands Project Revealed

Here's a little map to show you what they want to do:

The brown area is where humans would be allowed and the green area would be off-limits to humans.

This crap comes from the UN Agenda 21, a plan to strip sovereignty away from the member nation-states, especially the USA:
Agenda 21

I recommend Googling for "Agenda 21" for more info.

10 posted on 02/10/2004 1:01:14 AM PST by thecabal
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To: Viking2002
Ranchers settlement vs. gov... hmmmm I'd say Ranchers win since cops are not about settling themselves in lands, but hired to answer questions to judges as to matters of land and settlement disputes.

I find it ludicrous that the gov cops there impose questions on the rancher. This would call for a peaceful standoff until the gov answers questions to a judge and ranchers do to.

What stupid court would allow such order without hearing both sides is beyond understanding... but what can I say, we live in the age of arbitrary restraining orders and trust in cops who ask questions and answer for suspects to judges...Sig Heil!

No, the reality of the conflict is going to take another dimension here. Ultimately I gather a terror war weary US military with willing militias will be the ultimate arbiter. America is headed for a military government, I do not see it any other way. Corrupt cushy cops are not going to get their tax revenues that way.
11 posted on 02/10/2004 1:03:56 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: thecabal
Earth worshipers, murderers of men and souls, lovers of unimpeachable agendas 21 and the like and doctrines... sick!
12 posted on 02/10/2004 1:05:59 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: JustPiper
The Feds simply have no legal claim here. Their reasoning is bullsh**, there is no claim to ownership based on any contractual compensation in exchange for a purchased asset as per the UCC and the Constitution.

Then add the extortion and racketeering by the enviros to deny all use of the land, and you essentially have a RICO case...if the courts would have the balls to enforce it.

This of course is entirely based on the ESA and nothing else, a law that is nothing but the vaguest of legal bullsh** and nothing more than a blank check to allow the govt to do anything it wants with any piece of land it targets.
13 posted on 02/10/2004 1:59:33 AM PST by Free Vulcan
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To: AAABEST
right up your alley...
14 posted on 02/10/2004 3:33:35 AM PST by ovrtaxt ( Of course, my parasitic twin has a completely different opinion.)
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To: JudgemAll
What is the meaning of Federal land exactly? How is it justified?

One theory once bandied about is that it will one day be used as compensation for debts owed to foreign governments. Pretty conspiratorial, but anything's possible.

15 posted on 02/10/2004 3:36:02 AM PST by ovrtaxt ( Of course, my parasitic twin has a completely different opinion.)
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To: JustPiper
Two party cabal lead by the Neocons conforming the USA to the UN agenda...the Federal leviathon...
16 posted on 02/10/2004 5:39:58 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: JustPiper; JackelopeBreeder; B4Ranch; Spiff; F16Fighter; Marine Inspector; Sabertooth
"These ranchers are from the same stock of ranchers who pushed the United States all the way to the Pacific ocean; once riled, they may push the Forest Service all the way back to Washington."

The Feds will pull another Waco here if nobody steps in to help these people. As stated in the article, this capturing of private lands well deeded and documented didn't start until the Clinton gang took over.

Here we have an invasion by Mexico on our Southern border and ranchers who have owned property for over 120 years is now being confiscated by the federal government.

On one hand we are giving away our border and on the other hand we are taking away private property that has been legally claimed for generations.

And the feds want these lands for "wildlife" conservation.

Hmmm..

17 posted on 02/10/2004 5:42:02 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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"One theory once bandied about is that it will one day be used as compensation for debts owed to foreign governments. Pretty conspiratorial, but anything's possible."

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Property Rights

The United Nations Wants to Take Your Land!
"Private land ownership ... contributes to social injustice.... Public control of land use is therefore indispensable."

- United Nations "Habitat I" Conference Report, 1976



18 posted on 02/10/2004 5:45:44 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: thecabal
Rights to private property are under attack by socialists as never before. The Clinonazis made shameful headway by stripping families' ability to earn a living.

The agenda has been on the march since the the Jimmy Carter years. Watermellons are throughout our governments in and out of blackrobes.

Treaties with long established, independent nations were violated under force of arms just as current real and private property are seized by feds under threat of force of arms.

What 5th Amendment "takings" clause?

If we see a sudden Ice Age , we shall have all lands nationalized.
19 posted on 02/10/2004 6:00:34 AM PST by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: SevenDaysInMay
"If we see a sudden Ice Age , we shall have all lands nationalized."

Don't look now . .

Climate Collapse

20 posted on 02/10/2004 6:38:07 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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