Posted on 02/07/2004 4:31:25 PM PST by Nix 2
Gotta tell you something, people. Other than listening to the demons wail about the deficit, what difference has it made in any of your lives? None. Interest rates have not gone up. The Medicare reform bill has the rats climbing the wall because it is the first step towards its OWN slow death. Even G-d kept the Jews wandering in the wilderness until the whole generations of them that knew slavery were dead. So now, seniors have a prescription program and younger workers will have private health accounts. It took the dems a gazillion years to try to make everyone in the USA a slave to government and take over US healthcare bit by bit. This year it would have been fully government run if Gore had made it to Pennsylvania Avenue. Bush is unraveling their dream of the world under Marx.
Are you watching the teachers' union howling at the moon? They can't teach, so they blame the kids for not being able to learn. Bush gave them their chance. They are blowing it big-time. The more they try and steal our kids, the harder we fight, and the more they scream. But it will have its end and it will be under a Bush presidency. We need good minds to have better goals. No one knows that better than he does. The dems are freaking out over *No Child Left behind* because if a teacher can't teach, he/she has got to go. The dems would protect these stupid, moneygrubbers at any cost including the cost of your children's education.
Privatization of ALL healthcare is paramount if we are to maintain the best healthcare system in the world. The dems have run doctors out of practice, turned insurance companies into beancounters, claimed that pharmaceutical companies, which have given us virtually many more years to live, vile, filthy creatures who stalk the weak and the poor. Now, the first step back towards freedom is being looked at and whined about as if you so-called conservatives were personally wounded and the bleeding will never stop. The truly wounded are the democrats who see their phoney, dark, delusional world exposed to the unforgiving light of the truth. They are losing...but will you give credit? This is too pathetic. Do you let others do your thinking now?
What exactly about the immigration reform has you so riled up? You are jumping to so many bogus conclusions, I don't even know where to start. You call it amnesty, and I ask you WHEREIN lies the amnesty? Is it not a fact that no illegal will be able to get a job unless Americans expressly turn it down? And is it not further fact that Americans will receive better training for BETTER jobs because SOMEBODY believes that we have better brains and can learn better skills to come up with better ideas, instead of having the sugah-daddy dems giving everyone handouts and more unemployment compensation so they WOULDN'T go back to work. Don't you realize that only prolonged the recovery, not helped it, or me, or you? Do you realize that maybe, just maybe, some of the jobs illegals take right now will henceforth be open to our American teenagers who lost them to 40 and 50 year old illegals flipping burgers, training jobs, entry level jobs, jobs that taught our kids what it meant to have a work ethic and some responsibilty so they can stop expecting us to spoil them half to death. If they want a $150.00 pair of silly shoes, let them but them themselves. If they want a car, a little hard work never hurt anyone. Or has it truly escaped you that Americans First means young Americans as well? THIS takes a generation as well but like liberals everywhere, yesterday seems to be much too late. Well, where were you when all these things were building up? I asked someone a few years ago, right here on this board. He said "Sure, I think about it, but...I have a family and can't afford to do the right thing.
Now, Bush does the right thing, depriving no one of anything, and the crocodile tears are starting to make Conservatives look more and more like the libs with their hands constantly extended.
Are you stopping in your misplaced anger at President Bush to realize that terrorists damaged us in an excruciating way, but if Gore, or any of his ilk would have been president, they would have seized on that moment to finalize their control over us in ways that should make you thank the Lord for Bush. Gun control would be a gun ban period. We would probably be under martial law, our government would be gone, and our soldiers would be patroling OUR streets while Bin Laden was enjoying French hospitality. The Islamist State Department would be busily going about installing some form of sharia law by now. Do you want to be Canada? Then go the hell there and stop calling yourselves conservatives, because you ain't.
If you were truly conservatives, you would be stopping to think about the freedom you DIDN'T lose. We are at war. They aren't here, WE are there. You would realize that fully one fourth of the US was on fire almost at the same time. We've had megafloods. The Clinton Administration cooked the Stockmarket books to give the illusion of prosperity. Bush has unraveled the tangled yarn and then some. Do you think that was cheap? Do you realize that President Bush rolled back many of the insane enviroweenie laws that caused all that, and because of it, logging can happen again. Oil drilling can begin again. Care will be taken to stop the kind of corrupt and corrupted opposing environmental laws that did nothing to help the environment, but it sure helped to line the pockets of the UN believers of the world and their science of unreality and fishy fantasy.
Are you so nonsatisfiable that you don't realize that the man from Texas stood and faced down the UN so that they can't even get a paragraph ratified because he has them running in circles and has not much to do with the terrorists and crooks who run the damb place.
We have a good man as President. He will be even better with a bigger majority in the House and Senate. Anyone else who is, or might run, will NEVER be able to accomplish what Bush has already accomplished, and he isn't done yet...and there is NO SUCH THING as instant gratification. All that leads to his horrors down the road...like Medicare was before this reform.
Nice dodge.
You said millions and I find it fascinating since it was Keyes base that sat out 2000.
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
There is no doubt that 4 million sat out 2000...
Statistically meaningless. They sat out with tens of millions of other Americans.
...and that 4 million alone would have given Bush a real mandate not to mention the Millions you claim to have mobilized. It is also fascinating that many in that same base are now threatening to sit out 2004.
Ever wonder why Pat Buchanan was a nonfactor in 2000, receiving less than one percent of the total vote? Do you think deeply enough for these matters?
Who held the right flank of the GOP in 2000, Tex?
What would the electoral effect for GW have been if we had taken our ball and gone home?
Other than listening to the demons wail about the deficit,...
Now STOP it! As for Keyes, I admire Keyes no end. He is a fantastic orator with exemplary credentials. There would have been no problem with me if he would have WON the nomination. Unfortunately for him, and for his supporters, he didn't. And that makes ALL the difference. He ran and lost. Rigidity has its admirable qualities, but it also has its drawbacks. Few people perceived him as a man who could accomplish much within the brimstone palaces of the House and Senate. Had he won, his principles could not have held his head above water and he and the presidency would have sunk like a stone. Articulating a position in stark black and white is wonderful if your candidacy is based on stating a message and not actually being elected.
You claim to admire him. If you admire him so much, you surely must understand that he had no intention of winning the primaries and/or becoming the nominee. His candidacy was to deliver a message to conservatives. It was received with fervor by many of us, like a cool drink in the midst of a desert. But being elected is something else again. Alan Keyes occupies a prized position on my wall of great people, autographed picture and all. But great people don't always make great presidents and vice-versa.
Alan IS his message, but it would have echoed hollow in a place built on the crumbling foundation of our beloved Constitution where no one listens.
Being free to be real is a life option I don't think Keyes would have really wanted to give up. I was sorely dissappointed when he used the race card to proclaim his skin color as the reason for his loss. It wasn't.
There aren't very many conservatives who didn't believe in their heart of hearts that Alan keyes won every debate he was in. Just as there weren't many conservatives who didn't agree with his stated principles. The VOTE wasn't just based on his orating skills, but on the ability to get things done within the confines of reality. In a perfect world, Alan was a perfect candidate. In the real world, he would not have been able to take even half the heat President Bush has had to endure because he couldn't have controlled the situation OR his temper. Character counts. So does temperament. One he has. The other, he unfortunately does not.
Had he been running for the Senate anywhere but in Moose Country, that great bastion of Mikulski-ites, there is not a doubt in my mind that he could have beaten just about any dem running anywhere west of the Catskills. But Maryland HATES anti-abortionists, AND conservatives, especially BLACK conservatives. He is doing fantastic work where he is free to be who he is. Kudos to the man. He deserves all the respect I can offer. May his flame never go out.
So far, all the *credentials* I've seen from you are what you say you are, (and what I remember about you.) If you want to play fallacy and fantasy philosophy, might I DARE suggest that some of your *comments* about my comments are ad hominem, ridiculous, as well as woefully uninformed.
The pharmaceutical companies have been used against Bush on this thread.
Enron has been used against Bush on this thread.
Halliburton too, if my eyes haven't deceived me.
Any idea why they are slaughtering cattle, EV?
Strawman? In a pig's eye, pal. I KNEW I knew you.
I know and you know that there are two viable candidates for the office of President(Bush and Kerry), but it also looks like you want to ignore that reality, so you join the other 8% of the people on FR who does not cast in reality, IMO.
Since about 1934 at the very least. ;^)
There you go again. It is dishonest to bring those things into a discussion between you and I, since I certainly didn't bring any of them up, nor were any of them central to this discussion. It is a cheap ploy to drop them in the middle of our talk in the vain hope that somehow the silliness of others might somehow stick to me.
That's the kind of crap I'm complaining about. While I have not said a word against the President, and am in fact a supporter that is actually doing something positive on this behalf, you, and others here, by throwing every argument you can think of against everybody, simply piss off people who don't need to be further pissed off right now.
Y'all are bulls in the china shop, politically speaking. None of you will ever be offered a diplomatic post, I assure you.
Any idea why they are slaughtering cattle, EV?
Yes, I know. Contrary to what you obviously believe, I'm not stupid. They are slaughtering cattle because of mad cow disease.
But the idea that this is an intentional attack on us by the Canadians is about the most classic case of tinfiol conspiracy crap I've ever seen.
As to relevency? Well, you'll have to explain that.
Sounds to me that this statement applies to anyone who is unhappy about the deficit. If freepers are excluded, please say so.
Ref. post #1. You ask to be flamed. I hope your satified.
BTW. I seen alot worse so-called flame wars than this. This was more like a mild agrument.
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