Kennewick Man Speaks

Seattle Times ^ | 2-7-2004

[Publius6961]

The tribes, who want to bury the remains, argued Kennewick Man was their ancestor because their oral histories contained no migration stories.

That is taking PC to absurd extremes. Now we must allow primitive savages' ignorance to drive scientific inquiry?
Whether they were too ignorant to find out about migrations or not, clearly they are newcomers. It will be clearly proven that Kennewick man predates all "native" Americans by a whole bunch.

PC.... R.I.P.

[blam]

Kerrywick Man

[blam]

"It will be clearly proven that Kennewick man predates all "native" Americans by a whole bunch."

I say, at least 3,000 years and probably much more. Arlington Springs Woman has been dated to 13,000BP. (The oldest human skeleton ever found in the Americas)

[Virginia-American]

The late Joseph Greenberg, IMO the greatest linguist of the 20th century, wrote two books relevant to the discussion here.

In Language in the Americas he presents evidence that all the native languages of N and S. America fit into three groups:

Eskimo-Aleut
Na-Dene (=Athabaskan, Eyak, Tlingit and Haida - all spoken in Alaska, Canada, and the Pacific NW, with the exception of Apache and Navajo), and
Amerindian - all other Indian languages, including all in Central and South America.

The three-way split seems to be reflected in genetic studies

discussion

He also wrote Indo-European and Its Closest Relatives: The Eurasiatic Language Family vol I grammar, vol II lexicon.

In it, he proposes that IndoEuropean, Uralic-Yukaghir (includes Finnnish and Hungarian), Altaic (=Turkic, Mongolian and Tungusic) Korean-Japanese-Ainu, Gilyak (spoken N. of Japan on Sakhalin Island), Chukchi-Kamchatkan (Asian side of Bering Strait) and Eskimo-Aleut form a genetic language family.

Needless to say, both of these proposals are very controversial.

Greenberg was of the opinion that Amerindian was most closely related to Eurasiatic.

Other linguists, including the Russian Nostraticists, have come to the conclusion that Na-Dene, Sino-Tibetan, North Caucasian, Yeniesian, Burushaski, and Basque are also a genetic family, considerably older than Eurasiatic.

Google searches on these words will turn up a lot of hits.

[Virginia-American]

I might guess their original language [Ainu] might be extinct now, wouldn't they speak Japanese now?

Yes it is

[Publius6961]

Ooooooooo... Kay...
Great science.
Carbon dating is a fraud. Sure.

You better get back on your medication sonny.

[Publius6961]

I can't say I'm too enthused about any court, especially this one, determining what is scientifically correct.

Sure beats having a bureaucrat do it on a whim (Babbit), or the Indians based on their ignorance and PC and nothing else.

[DeepDish]

It is just an eye test. Please look at this light for a few seconds please. Poof! Thank you.

[Dimensio]

Anyone who believes/assumes Man is the highest of the beings is a secular humanist.

While I can't say to know that he does not believe this, I don't recall that he ever stated that he does believe this. Where did you get this idea?

[Chris Talk]

I don't presume to say that FReeper X or Y or Z is or is NOT a secular humanist, though I think someone on here pleaded guilty to being one today.

I was merely attempting to give a concise definition of the term itself. By definition, whatever you think is the highest being is one's standard of value or "god."

Humanism would be proven wrong if, for example, there were UFO aliens who are higher than ourselves. They would then become our "gods" in a von-Daniken sense, unless perhaps we were to learn that they in turn were but agents, angels, servants, messengers of some yet higher being(s).

Unless the definition can be established, the term is just a buzzword that prevents thinking. That is what I was trying to avoid, and it was not I who brought up the term into the discussion.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Carbon dating is a fraud

Others Disagree with your claims of fraud. Perhaps you can show peer-reviewed experimental evidence that refutes the principles of dating. A list of these other akeletal remains would be useful.

[blam]

"More forbidden thought: why did sabertooth tigers and mammoths and all those wonderful Ice Age Fauna keep on living in Florida right up until the time of Christ, when they had died out everywhere else in the world? You would have thought that, being cold adapted, they would have died out in Fla. FIRST."

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[RightWingAtheist]

"Humanist", like "liberal", is a once noble word which has been hijacked by the left, so you can understand why I am apprehensive about using it to describe myself. The people who call themselves "humanists" nowadays tend to be old-school left-wing liberals, and I have little sympathy for their simplistic approach to complex economic and social issues.

[Ichneumon]

How do these dates of 12000 years and 9000 years get arrived at? Carbon dating is a fraud as is alot of purported "scientific facts".

Well, you certain chose the right screen name...

Wherever you got this nonsense, I strongly suggest that you not trust them to be a reliable source on whatever else they try to tell you, because on this issue they were either lying, or incredibly ignorant, or both.

[Map Kernow]

Good things come in threes. :)

[curmudgeonII]

"I can't say I'm too enthused about any court, especially this one, determining what is scientifically correct."

Really! Does that mean you don't agree with scientific forensic evidence being used in trials, either?

As an example of what you can get into when the courts, and politicians get into scientific matters, I need only remind you of the situation with the Indiana legislature in the 1920's.

One of the legislators had a daughter who was having a problem grasping the mathematical concept of pi [you know 3.14.......etc.]. He introduced, and passed through the [unfortunately largely Republican] state legislature, a bill establishing the value of pi as 4.

[adam_az]

"One of the legislators had a daughter who was having a problem grasping the mathematical concept of pi [you know 3.14.......etc.]. He introduced, and passed through the [unfortunately largely Republican] state legislature, a bill establishing the value of pi as 4."

Yes, but the actual value of PI didn't change as a result of the law.

[VOA]

bump

[Shryke]

I strongly suggest that you not trust them to be a reliable source...

I hazard that this person cares not about his source, or accuracy.