Sounds like there is a swamp in Dubai that needs to be drained.
I was bumping the idea. I didn't realize we would be sent to time out....er....Chat.
>>>For the last year or so (maybe more), AQ and other jihadi types have been interested in bringing in "white" people especially "professionals" whom can be useful to the cause.
I thought they already did? Isn't that what our State Officials are for?
Alliance on the rocks: Saudis rejecting U.S. in favor of China
The Saudi Oil Ministry left the United States out of the recent round of lucrative multi-billion dollar energy deals. The winners were companies from China, the European Union and Russia. But it is China that represents the most ambitious aspect of the new Saudi policy.
Uh oh.
I have NO sympathy for enemy combatants. That is what he is, an enemy combatant. I think they are more dangerous then domestic criminals.
But a freeper got banned last night for 'advocating violence' for posting similar words you just did. AND it was a poster that helped us with the Pro Military news.
I have no idea what is on the minds of the Moderators these days. Just wanted to give you a heads up FWIW.
Posting for NM_AZ_Granny. More info to file on Smallpox Vaccines:
> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:27:47 -0500 (EST)
> To:
promed-edr@promedmail.org > From: ProMED-mail
promed@promed.isid.harvard.edu > Subject: PRO/EDR> Smallpox vaccination,
> secondary/tertiary transfer
>
>
> SMALLPOX VACCINATION, SECONDARY/TERTIARY TRANSFER
>
> A ProMED-mail post
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http://www.isid.org > Date: Thu 12 Feb 2004
> From: ProMED-mail
promed@promedmail.org > Source: Morb Mortal Wkly Rep 2004; 53(05): 103-5 Fri
> 13 Feb [edited]
>
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5305a3.htm >
>
> Secondary and tertiary transfer of Vaccinia virus
> among US military
> personnel; US and worldwide, 2002-2004
>
> In December 2002, the Department of Defense (DoD)
> began vaccinating
> military personnel as part of the pre-event
> vaccination program (1).
> Because vaccinia virus is present on the skin at the
> site of vaccination,
> it can spread to other parts of the body
> (autoinoculation) or to contacts
> of vaccinees (contact transfer).
>
> To prevent autoinoculation and contact transfer, DoD
> gave vaccinees printed
> information that focused on handwashing, covering
> the vaccination site, and
> limiting contact with infants (1,2). This report
> describes cases of contact
> transfer of vaccinia virus among vaccinated military
> personnel since
> December 2002; findings indicate that contact
> transfer of vaccinia virus is
> rare. Continued efforts are needed to educate
> vaccinees about the
> importance of proper vaccination-site care in
> preventing contact
> transmission, especially in household settings.
>
> DoD conducts surveillance for vaccine-associated
> adverse events by using
> automated immunization registries, military
> communication channels, and the
> Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS).
> Contact transfer cases are
> defined as those in which vaccinia virus is
> confirmed by viral culture or
> polymerase chain reaction (PCR) assays. Other cases
> are classified as
> suspected on the basis of lesion description and
> reported linkage to a
> vaccinated person 3 to 9 days before lesion
> development.
>
> During the period Dec 2002 to Jan 2004, a total of
> 578 286 military
> personnel were vaccinated; 508 546 (88 per cent)
> were male, and 407 923 (71
> per cent) were primary vaccinees (received smallpox
> vaccination for the 1st
> time). The median age of vaccinees was 29 years
> (range: 17 to 76). Among
> vaccinees, cases of suspected contact transfer of
> vaccinia were identified
> among 30 persons: 12 spouses, 8 adult intimate
> contacts, 8 adult friends,
> and 2 children in the same household. These cases
> were reported from
> Colorado (4), North Carolina (4), Texas (4), Alaska
> (2), California (2),
> one in each of Connecticut, Kansas, New Jersey,
> Ohio, South Carolina,
> Washington state, West Virginia, and overseas (7).
> The sources of suspected
> contact transfer were all male service members who
> were primary vaccinees.
> Except for 6 male sports partners, all infected
> contacts were female.
>
> Vaccinia virus was confirmed in 18 (60 per cent) of
> the 30 cases by viral
> culture or PCR. Sixteen of the 18 confirmed cases
> involved uncomplicated
> infections of the skin; 2 involved the eye (3). None
> resulted in eczema
> vaccinatum or progressive vaccinia. 12 of the 18
> confirmed cases were among
> spouses or adult intimate contacts. The observed
> rate of contact transfer
> was 5.2 per 100 000 vaccinees overall or 7.4 per 100
> 000 primary vaccinees.
> Among 27 700 smallpox-vaccinated DoD health-care
> workers, no transmission
> of vaccinia from a vaccinated health-care worker to
> an unvaccinated patient
> or from a vaccinated patient to an unvaccinated
> health-care worker has been
> identified.
>
> 2 of the 18 confirmed cases of transfer of vaccinia
> virus resulted from
> tertiary transfer. One involved a service member,
> his wife, and their
> breast-fed infant; the other involved serial
> transmission among male sports
> partners.
>
> Case reports
>
> Case 1
> ------
> In early May 2003, a service member received his
> primary smallpox
> vaccination. About 6 to 8 days after vaccination, he
> experienced a major
> reaction (an event that indicates a successful take;
> is characterized by a
> papule, vesicle, ulcer, or crusted lesion,
> surrounded by an area of
> induration; and usually results in a scar) (4). The
> vaccinee reported no
> substantial pruritus. He slept in the same bed as
> his wife and kept the
> vaccination site covered with bandages. After
> bathing, he reportedly dried
> the vaccination site with tissue, which he discarded
> into a trash
> receptacle. He also used separate towels to dry
> himself, rolled them so the
> area that dried his arm was inside, and placed them
> in a laundry container.
> His wife handled bed linen, soiled clothing, and
> towels; she reported that
> she did not see any obvious drainage on clothing or
> linen and had no direct
> contact with the vaccination site.
>
> In mid-May, the wife had vesicular skin lesions on
> each breast near the
> areola but continued to breastfeed. About 2 weeks
> later, she was examined
> at a local hospital, treated for mastitis, and
> continued to breastfeed. The
> same day, the infant had a vesicular lesion on the
> upper lip, followed by
> another lesion on the left cheek (5). 3 days later,
> the infant was examined
> by a pediatrician, when another lesion was noted on
> her tongue. Because of
> possible early atopic dermatitis lesions on the
> infant's cheeks, contact
> vaccinia infection with increased risk for eczema
> vaccinatum was
> considered. The infant was transferred to a military
> referral medical
> center for further evaluation. On examination, the
> infant had seborrheic
> dermatitis and no ocular involvement. Skin lesion
> specimens from the mother
> and infant tested positive for vaccinia by viral
> culture and PCR at the
> Alaska Health Department Laboratory and at Madigan
> Army Medical Center.
> Because both patients were stable clinically and the
> lesions were healing
> without risk for more serious complications,
> vaccinia immune globulin was
> not administered. Neither patient had systemic
> complications from the
> infection.
>
> Case 2
> ------
> In July 2003, a service member who had been
> vaccinated was wrestling with
> an unvaccinated service member at a military
> recreational function when the
> bandages covering the vaccination site fell off. The
> unvaccinated service
> member subsequently wrestled with another
> unvaccinated service member. 6
> days later, both unvaccinated service members had
> lesions on their
> forearms, neck, and face. Skin lesion specimens from
> both men tested
> positive for vaccinia virus by PCR and viral culture
> at Tripler Army
> Medical Center's microbiology laboratory.
>
> (Reported by: TW Barkdoll, MD, Okinawa, Japan. RB
> Cabiad, Fort Richardson;
> MS Tankersley, MD, JL Adkins, MD, Elmendorf Air
> Force Base; B Jilly, PhD, G
> Herriford, Alaska Public Health Laboratory. AC
> Whelen, PhD, CA Bell, PhD,
> Tripler Army Medical Center, Honolulu, Hawaii. MP
> Fairchok, MD, LC Raynor,
> MD, VA Garde, MD, VM Rothmeyer, SD Mahlen, PhD,
> Madigan Army Medical
> Center, Fort Lewis, Washington. RJ Engler, MD, LC
> Collins, MD, LL Duran,
> Vaccine Healthcare Center Network, Walter Reed Army
> Medical Center; MT
> Huynh, MD, RD Bradshaw, MD, Bolling Air Force Base,
> Washington, DC. JD
> Grabenstein, PhD, Military Vaccine Agency, U.S. Dept
> of Defense.)
>
> MMWR editorial note
>
> The findings in this report indicate that the
> primary risk for secondary
> transfer of vaccinia was among persons who shared a
> bed; 12 of the 18
> confirmed cases were spouses or adult intimate
> contacts. However, the
> majority of vaccinated DoD personnel who shared a
> bed did not transfer
> vaccinia virus to their contacts. The frequency of
> contact transfer in the
> military vaccination program is comparable to rates
> observed during the
> 1960s, although persons are less likely to be immune
> to vaccinia today and
> thus are more susceptible to contact transfer (1).
>
> The 1st case of tertiary transfer described in this
> report underscores the
> need for breastfeeding mothers with household
> contact with vaccinees to
> take precautions to prevent inadvertent transmission
> of vaccinia to their
> infants. Direct contact is presumed to be the major
> mode of transmission,
> but clothing and bed linen might act as vectors for
> secondary transmission.
> Tertiary transmission, although rare, is facilitated
> when the secondary
> infection is not recognized. Programs that educate
> health care workers,
> vaccinees, and contacts should note that new
> vesicles or pustules that
> appear 15 days after the vaccinia scab falls off
> from the vaccination site
> might be vaccinia infections. Although an infant
> living in the home is not
> a contraindication to vaccination of a family member
> in a non-outbreak
> setting, measures to prevent transmission include
> having vaccinees launder
> their own linens and towels and change their
> bandages away from other
> household members.
>
> During the 1960s, the rate of unintentional
> infection with vaccinia in
> secondary contacts was 2-6 cases per 100 000 primary
> vaccinees (4,6,7).
> During that period, 2/3 of reported contact
> infections occurred among
> children, typically siblings. Such spread could
> manifest as an inadvertent
> infection or, in more severe fashion, as eczema
> vaccinatum or progressive
> vaccinia. Infections of the skin predominated, with
> rarer ocular
> involvement posing a risk for scarring or keratitis.
> In the current DoD
> smallpox vaccination program, no cases of eczema
> vaccinatum have occurred,
> although the population of atopic dermatitis
> patients might have increased
> substantially since the 1960s (8). During the 1960s,
> eczema vaccinatum
> resulted in deaths, and 2/3 of such cases were
> related to contact transfer
> of vaccinia virus (6). In the current DoD smallpox
> vaccination program,
> careful screening of DoD vaccinees and their
> household contacts for skin
> diseases along with targeted education likely
> contributed to both screening
> out vaccine candidates with personal or
> close-contact contraindications and
> educating vaccinees about proper infection-control
> measures.
>
> Health care workers and the public should report
> suspected cases of contact
> transfer of vaccinia virus to their state or local
> health departments and
> to VAERS at
http://www.vaers.org, or by telephone
> 800-822-7967. Viral
> culture or PCR assays, important for confirming
> vaccinia virus, are
> available from the majority of state public health
> laboratories.
>
> References
>
> (1) Grabenstein JD, Winkenwerder W Jr. US military
> smallpox vaccination
> program experience. JAMA 2003; 289: 3278-82.
> (2) CDC. Recommendations for using smallpox vaccine
> in pre-event
> vaccination program: supplemental recommendations of
> the Advisory Committee
> on Immunization Practices (ACIP) and the Healthcare
> Infection Control
> Practices Advisory Committee (HICPAC). MMWR 2003;
> 52(RR-7).
> (3) CDC. Smallpox vaccination and adverse events:
> guidance for clinicians.
> MMWR 2003; 52(RR-4).
> (4) Garde V, Harper D, Fairchok M. Tertiary contact
> vaccinia in a
> breastfeeding infant. JAMA 2004; 291: 725-7.
> (5)Neff JM, Lane JM, Fulginiti VA, Henderson DA.
> Contact
> vaccinia---transmission of vaccinia from smallpox
> vaccination. JAMA 2002;
> 288: 1901-5.
> (6)Sepkowitz KA. How contagious is vaccinia? N Engl
> J Med 2003; 348: 439-46.
> (7)Engler RJ, Kenner J, Leung DY. Smallpox
> vaccination: risk considerations
> for patients with atopic dermatitis. J Allergy Clin
> Immunol 2002; 110: 357-65.
>
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> [see also:
> Smallpox vaccination and breastfeeding
> 20040212.0465
> 2003
> ---
> Smallpox vaccination adverse events - USA (12)
> 20030712.1716
> Smallpox vaccination, adverse events - USA
> 20030301.0515
> Smallpox vaccination, adverse event monitoring - USA
> 20030206.0324
> 2002
> ---
> Smallpox vaccination hazards (03)
> 20021017.5571
> Smallpox vaccine hazards
> 20020817.5080
> Smallpox vaccine, criticism of choice - UK
> 20020730.4892
> Smallpox vaccine, ACIP recommendations - USA (02)
> 20020621.4560]
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I always think of the term by which McVeigh and Nichols were known among the middle-easterners who had contact with them: "lily-whites"...
Since this article is only available in Cache now....I'm pasting it here for safe keeping
TRAIL OF TERROR
Lily Whites' Recruited to Carry Out OKC Bombing
Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:21 a.m. EDT
A congressional task force investigating the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing had information suggesting that Islamic plotters recruited two "lily whites" - non-Middle Easterners with no connection to prior terrorist activity - to carry out the attack ultimately perpetrated by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, according to a report broadcast late Saturday.
Terrorism expert Yossef Bodansky discussed the previously secret evidence obtained by Congress during an interview with Fox News Channel's Rita Cosby.
COSBY: I'm going to read some information that we obtained here at Fox News - something else you wrote that, more importantly, that the congressional task force learned: That two "lily whites" - these are people sort of considered non-Middle Easterners - had been recruited to carry out the bombing of an American federal building.
BODANSKY: "Lily whites" are people that have no - nothing to do with ethnic background, that's not true. "Lily whites" is the term used for people who have no past known encounter with security authorities anywhere in the U.S. or anywhere in the world. And therefore, there's no way they will raise an alarm bell with the security authorities once they're involved in something.
COSBY: So these are people who would sort of be out of the scope?
BODANSKY: It can be somebody from the heart of Africa, somebody from the middle of Australia or anywhere else. (End of Excerpt)
Couple Bodansky comments with a report on Judicial Watch Radio last week, where Judicial Watch co-counsel Mike Johnson detailed a very specific warning that came just hours before the OKC bombing from Washington, D.C.'s then-top terrorism expert.
"Vincent Cannistraro, who is the former Chief of Counter-Terrorism for the CIA, called Special [FBI] Agent Kevin L. Foust, and informed him that one of his best sources from Saudi Arabia intelligence specifically advised him that there was a squad of people currently in the United States, very possibly Iraqi, and I'm quoting, 'who have been tasked with carrying out terrorist acts against the United States,'" said Johnson.
"The Saudi informant, who's part of the Saudi Counter-Terrorism Service, told him that he had seen the list and that 'first on the list was the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.'"
Johnson said other targets on the Saudi informant's list included Immigration and Naturalization Service offices in Houston and what was then the FBI's counterterrorism headquarters in Los Angeles.
Good thinking, Cal.
And I see the term doesn't mean anything ethnic, but more to do with their lack of connections to any other crime.
Maybe. Don't forget, this evil mindset seems to thrive off of 'dual'. Dual use, dual meaning, dual intent.