Macs A Key Part Of Controversial Anti-Bush Ads (some mac users all tingly about socialism)

The Mac Observer ^ | February 4th, 2004 | Brad Gibson

[daviddennis]

Well said!

I use my Macs to create videos of our freeps, which are much beloved by many people here.

It's simply the best tool. What you create with it is up to you.

D

[discostu]

Nobody suffers viruses on a daily basis. That would be a grotesque and silly exhageration that you should retract.

What video editing software? Don't use, don't need it, and don't want it. As for it being "free" on your Mac maybe you need to take a remedial tax lesson, the extras in Mac OS are just as "free" as socialized medicine, the system is made more expensive to cover the cost of that and everybody that owns a Mac pays for that software even if they don't use it.

Not living in the past at all. Apple is still the sole source for most of the hardware and the OS, if Mac was king of the heap it would be two monopolies instead of one. The person here with their head in the sand is the one that thinks they get free software on their more expensive computer.

What's Mac's marketshare now? Who's being passed by the world?

[SunkenCiv]

Bravo!

[Glenn]

What's Mac's marketshare now?

What is Porsche's market share? What is Hummer's market share? What is Rolls Royce's market share? What is BMW's market share? Need I continue?

[discostu]

You can continue using red herrings until your keyboard melts down for all I care, the fact that you need to so completely distort reality to pretend to make a point just make mine for me. Macs aren't luxury computers that should have a rarified market space. They're regular old desktop computers, comparible to any random sedan, and their marketshare is miniscule because the company has always done a horrible job of marketing them. PC vs Mac isn't Ford vs Porsche, it's Ford vs Honda, and if Honda had only 1/10 the marketshare Ford had everyone on the board would be out on the streets.

[Destructor]

"Mr. Stowell was part of a team that produced one of 26 political commercials in a recent online contest soliciting political ads critical of President Bush. Entitled the 'Bush in 30 seconds' TV ad contest and sponsored by the Washington, DC-based public policy advocacy group MoveOn.org, Stowell's spot - entitled "Pop Quiz" - was produced and edited on a Mac."

What'd you expect? The Mac is a superior machine! I'm not surprised at all.

[HAL9000]

"Not living in the past at all. Apple is still the sole source for most of the hardware and the OS, if Mac was king of the heap it would be two monopolies instead of one."

You are misinformed. The core of the Mac OS (Darwin UNIX) is open source and can be ported to any platform. Most of the hardware is industry standard and interchangable with PCs. The hardware that is proprietary is the ASICs - and that situation exists for Wintel computers too.

"The person here with their head in the sand is the one that thinks they get free software on their more expensive computer."

I get free software for my Mac all the time. A lot of it is Mac-specific, but a lot of it is Linux software that is simply recompiled to run on PowerPC. Apple provides free software for Macs and PCs, like iTunes and QuickTime. And Apple includes a bunch of applications with each Mac that is superior to what Microsoft includes with Windows.

[TC Rider]

I didn't know that the consumer's sun rises and sets from Rusty's ass. Give me a break.

Snapple, the original 'Clean Shower' people, Florida Orange Juice and others may beg to differ. He doesn't keep 600+ stations and advertisers because consumers ignore his ads.

[anonymous_user]

This guy's a Mac user, and no socialist, thank you very much.

Not to provoke a PC/Mac flame war, but with a basic Mac and a video camera, a person can make some pretty high-end looking productions. (e.g. http://www.apple.com/ilife/)

[Glenn]

Macs aren't luxury computers that should have a rarified market space.

It is clear you don't understand the product or its use. It's a niche product with a devout following that produces a slim but effective profit for Apple and its shareholders. The company is a going concern with a profit motive -- just like its competitors.

What sort of economic basis do you have for marginalizing a successful product like this one?

[discostu]

How many companies make OSes that run on Macs? How many make motherboards that can run the OS? Dual monopoly no matter how you slice it. Tell AMD about Intel's harware monopoly.

Everything Mac includes with the OS, just like everything MS includes with the OS, cost the purchaser of the OS money. they just don't charge you as seperate line items, but the cost of development was in the budget for making the OS and that cost is figured into the sales price and passed on to the purchaser. Anybody claiming any pre-bundled software is "free" needs to take some business classes, regardless of who the software comes from.

[discostu]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Macs are are a niche product because they don't sell. They're marketed as a generic universal computer, they are NOT a luxury computer period. Comparing them with Hummers and Porsches is just goofy.

The ecomonic basis is clear: they're marketed as standard use desktop computers for the masses and maintain 5 to 7% of the market. They marginalized themselves with crappy marketing. As for how successful they are, which competing OS maker lent them money to survive?

[TheBattman]

What the heck does the computer platform have to do with Bush-Bashing/Hate?

It's a known fact that the Macintosh platform is still the platform of choice for video and audio editing. The fact that Apple has free tools that can give pretty professional looking results makes it a good choice for those interested in video work.

And I won't argue Steve Job's politics because that has no bearing on this particular story.

Would the predominance of Windows based PC's being used meant that Windows was suddenly the evil ones? (They are, but for another reason...hehehe)

[Glenn]

I thought you were uninformed. Turns out you are simply stupid. Carry on.

[discostu]

What's the matter, can't rebut Apple's own commercials?!

The stupid one here is the guy that think Apples are to PCs what Porsches are to Cars. I already gave them the benefit of the doubt as superior machines, but lets not get crazy. The are not now nore have they ever been luxury computers with a tiny target market. If they had a tiny target market why are they given away to schools? Why are they advertised as usable by anybody for anything? Why was OS X's big claim to fame it's ability to run software made for the much larger PC market?

Should check your own facts before throwing insults. You're 100% wrong across the board and your need to call me stupid shows you've learned you were wrong but aren't man enough to admit it. Sad sad sad. Begone.

[HAL9000]

"How many companies make OSes that run on Macs?"

Apple, Linux and Microsoft, to name a few.

"How many make motherboards that can run the OS?"

More than one.

"Dual monopoly no matter how you slice it. Tell AMD about Intel's harware monopoly."

x86 is a crap architecture. Even Intel knows it.

"Anybody claiming any pre-bundled software is "free" needs to take some business classes, regardless of who the software comes from."

Apple is in business to make a profit, but it's still a better value for the customer than Wintel products.

[Fixit]

Thought you'd like this:

"Mac users are nuttier than a fruitcake," Andy said. "People have an unnatural emotional attachment to object(s) like computers. For some, their reaction was akin to me butchering their parents or a beloved pet."

The Overclockers.com website published a barely believable hoax last week detailing the gutting of a brand new and very expensive Power Mac G5. This brought on an unbelievable reaction from the Mac community.

The hoaxer, identified only as "Andy," claimed he received a dual-processor G5 for Christmas. But preferring a Windows PC, he swapped out the insides of the $3,000 machine for the guts of a cheapo PC. The post included several digital photographs to prove the outrageous claim.

...

Reaction from the Mac community was swift and brutal.

Andy said his e-mail inbox quickly filled to capacity, with more than 1,300 messages, and an unknown number bounced. The mail he did receive was full of nice, kind thoughts like death threats, insults and all kinds of colorful invective.

[Cobra Scott]

They still are, and the "artists" who demand them seldom comprehend that their data is stored on PC servers. The i-Mac is a good thin client for that segment, because most of the interfaces came from mac based software, and because it allows them the opportunity to get involved in the hardware selection process by choosing what color they want. No lie.

[discostu]

Oh yeah, they opened up the architecture to be able to run non-Mac OSes. Wonder why they had to do that? Oh yeah, because they had a 7% marketshare and falling. Of course you can't buy a Mac with an OS not from Apple. Still a clean monopoly on the OS, and they never would have opened up the architecture if they had won the war with Windows.

Really? Motorola makes the chips for them, who makes the computers? Where are the Mac cloans if there's "more than one"? They STILL have a monopoly on the hardware.

Crap architecture that Mac had to embrace to grab some marketshare. Not that it matters, it's a red herring you're raising to distract from the FACT that Mac was targeting a dual monopoly.

I didn't say they aren't a business Hal, I said their "free" video editing software isn't free. Not saying that's a bad or a good thing, just a TRUE thing. No bundled software is free, your throwing red herring at this is telling. As does your need to use the Wintel shorthand and completely ignore AMD and other competitors. Drop the red herrings Hal, I've come to expect better from you.