Scientists Discover Where Snakes Lived When They Evolved into Limbless Creatures

Penn State ^ | 30 January 2004 | press release

[js1138]

Hey, you are picking things apart and choosing things to believe that fit your observations.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

I do not Believe that God is shocked or angered by my errors of understanding or my limitations of knowledge and intellect.

Finally a point on which we agree. He understands our frailty and human faults. All He requires is that we believe that Jesus died for those faults and imperfections. He takes care of the rest.

[whattajoke]

That is a tough one... (hey, what is it around here today? I'm usually the king of sarcastic bible references!)

I find latina women pretty hot, but I'm a big hockey fan. So I guess I'd take one of each. Thanks Big Guy!

[js1138]

Speaking of male and female: I just read that in the "Finding Nemo" scenerio, in which a clownfish mother is killed, the father would change sex, become the mother, and the kid would become his mate. I guess some folks were made male and female in the literal and boolean sense.

[Dimensio]

You really don't get it, do you? It is not "my" knowledge. It is truth that is available to anyone who cares to read it and understand it with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

And I just find it so amusing that the "truth" available to anyone who seeks it with guidance of the Holy Spirit that you are offering differens from the "truth" available from other people who claim to have derived it from the exact same source.

You, on the other hand, are distracted by pride and the need for you to prove what is not within man's grasp or ability to prove.

How so? Be specific.

[DoctorMichael]

"...Satan's 'reptilian agenda'?...."

Most definitely! LOL.

[appleton14]

I swear that it must have been Washington, D.C.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

It is hardly arguable that a person who interprets Genesis to be something other than the literal story of creation is denying what the Bible says right off the bat.

Oh yes, they find a way to say it is not literal and spend many words justifying that belief, but it still comes down to disputing what is written.

Now either the Bible is the true word of God or it isn't. It isn't a combination of both.

There are certain points of disagreement or interpretation that are valid because they are either unspoken or not exactly clear.

By the same token, much of it is clearly literal or clearly figurative and a simple understanding of the language in which the reader is reading doesn't leave a whole lot of interpretive freedom.

My reference to your needing proof was meant for the evolutionist or those who think that evolution and creation can be compatible. If you are not one of those, that doesn't apply to you.

[ZULU]

The Bible is a religous text, not a geological or biological tome.

Even God would have a hard time explaining evolution, cosmology, stratigraphy, genetics, etc, to a tribe of stone age shepherds. He told them what it was necessary for them to know at the moment. He didn't unnecessarily digress or expand on what was his main message, and that was a religious one, not a scientific one.

[Ichneumon]

You, on the other hand, are distracted by pride and the need for you to prove what is not within man's grasp or ability to prove.

Did God give you this amazing ability to read minds and divine people's "true" motives for their beliefs? Or are you pridefully presuming that if someone disagrees with you, it must be because they surrending to a deadly sin, and it can't possibly be for other reasons, like maybe they've given it a lot of thought and study and that's their considered opinion on the matter?

[Ichneumon]

You really don't get it, do you? It is not "my" knowledge. It is truth that is available to anyone who cares to read it and understand it with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

That's just like the truth of Hank. It's not "my" knowledge, it's Hank's truth. Why? Because Hank says so.

I can't possibly take any personal responsibility for the decision of whether the information about Hank is completely true or not, so it's not "my" knowledge or conclusions at all, is it?

Um, or is it?

[js1138]

By the same token, much of it is clearly literal or clearly figurative and a simple understanding of the language in which the reader is reading doesn't leave a whole lot of interpretive freedom.

So when Jesus is taken to the mountaintop for where he can see all the kingdoms of the earth -- this is literal or figurative? Why? Would your opinion be based on knowledge available to those who first heard this story?

[evets]

I'm too sexy for my snake...

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

He didn't unnecessarily digress or expand on what was his main message, and that was a religious one, not a scientific one.

Gee, I haven't heard that one before. Quite creative (no pun intended).

Zulu, you seem as if you are not particularly settled with your beliefs and nothing I say is going to change that. I hope you straighten it all out eventually.

I am tired of repeating myself here and need to move along. I usually avoid these threads because they all end up the same way.

I suppose I fell into this because I have recently seen many blessings in my life and I felt like maybe I needed to spend some time defending God and what I believe His words to say.

I never had any delusions of softening the hearts of those who either don't believe in God at all or those that want to restrict Him to only attributes that can be explained by man.

I know that He understands that and it is really all that matters.

[CyberCowboy777]

I concur.

Only I add that I have chosen to believe that in spite of my ignorance by the Grace of God am I saved from its consequences.

[CyberCowboy777]

LOL!

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill. - Not I shalt not kill.

God was not giving Himself the law.

[Ann Archy]

Memo to Vidal and Hedges: It was the GARDEN OF EDEN, numbnuts.

[js1138]

Fine. But I do not believe that God requires us to stifle our curiosity about how things work, live in caves rather than invent housing, submit to disease rather than investigate biology, or believe things which, "by all indications," are not literally true.

[ZULU]

The window dressing created by creationists that Genesis refutes evolution.

[ZULU]

"I suppose I fell into this because I have recently seen many blessings in my life and I felt like maybe I needed to spend some time defending God and what I believe His words to say"

God needs no defense. The reality of creation is His defense. I'm not attacking God, nor attacking the Bible, just disagreeing with a narrow and literal interpretation of portions of it.

But maybe your right. Perhaps the thread on snakes should be "scaled" down.