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Ex-Presidents, Johnson Widow Call for JFK Film Probe
AP via TBO ^ | February 2,2004 | Lynn Elber

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:20:27 PM PST by John W

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Two former presidents and the widow of Lyndon B. Johnson are calling on the History Channel to investigate a documentary it aired alleging President Johnson was involved in the Kennedy assassination. Lady Bird Johnson said the film "falsely and irresponsibly" accuses her husband of conspiring to kill President Kennedy.

No accusation made against Johnson "has hurt as painfully," the 91-year-old former first lady said in a Jan. 29 letter. Her husband died in 1973.

Copies of her letter were sent to the chief executives of three companies that own A&E Networks, which includes the History Channel. The letters went to Bob Wright of NBC, Victor Ganzi of Hearst Corp. and Michael Eisner of The Walt Disney Co.

Former Presidents Ford and Carter also sent letters citing the documentary, "The Guilty Men," which aired last November as part of a series of History Channel specials on the Nov. 22, 1963 assassination.

Ford, noting he was the last surviving member of the Warren Commission that determined Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing Kennedy, called the History Channel documentary "reprehensible."

Alleging that Johnson, as Kennedy's vice president, was part of a conspiracy to murder him is "the greatest, most damaging accusation ever made against a former vice president and president in American History," Ford, 90, wrote in his Jan. 23 letter.

The letters were released Monday to The Associated Press by Tom Johnson, chairman of the LBJ Foundation and a representative of the Johnson family.

Calls to NBC and Disney were not immediately returned.

"We don't comment on correspondence with our chief executive officer," said Hearst spokesman Paul Luthringer.

Tom Johnson said he and three other former Johnson aides planned to meet Wednesday with executives of the History Channel and A&E Television Networks to press for an investigation and for its findings to be made public.

Nickolas Davatzes, president of A&E Television Networks, was expected to take part, History Channel spokeswoman Lynn Gardner said Tuesday.

Other Johnson aides scheduled to participate are Jack Valenti, now head of the Motion Picture Association of America; journalist Bill Moyers; and attorney Larry Temple.

"I'm puzzled, bewildered, that a distinguished enterprise like the History Channel would put on the air such garbage, such ugliness," Valenti said in November. "It makes one sick."

When the Kennedy series aired, the History Channel said in a statement that the point of view in "The Guilty Men" was "meticulously researched."

"By presenting different viewpoints we enable our viewers to decide to agree or disagree with them and to arrive at their own conclusions," the channel said.


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To: Ichneumon
Oooooookay.....

Then explain to me why the corpse in the autopsy photos had earlobes while Kennedy didn't.

181 posted on 02/03/2004 11:19:48 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Taliesan
That's all fiction.

So according to you, in any group of Americans, 95% will be liars and their testimoney cannot be used as evidence.

182 posted on 02/03/2004 11:22:11 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Ichneumon

183 posted on 02/03/2004 11:27:53 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: #3Fan
How can a bullet enter the back at a 45 degree downward angle and exit farther up at the throat?

It can't, but since it didn't, no problem.

Back (entry) wound:

Neck (exit) wound:

Quite clearly about a 45-degree *downward* angle -- the front neck wound is considerably lower than the back wound, *and* the back wound is obviously an entry wound, the neck wound is obviously an exit wound. But don't just take my word for it, they were noted as such by the doctors at the time.

The location and direction of the neck wound is further supported by the holes in JFK's shirt, which has two holes (due to the overlapping fabric when the shirt was buttoned) in the same location and with fabric pulled *outward*:

No, wait, I know! The conspiracy gnomes swapped the bloody shirt, patched up the "real" holes in the body, poked new ones in the "fake" locations, paid off the doctors and pathologists, *and* swapped out all the photographs and written notes!!!!

184 posted on 02/03/2004 11:31:10 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Shooter 2.5
I was wondering when you'd show up shooter. Dont think it'll get solved today either.
185 posted on 02/03/2004 11:31:28 AM PST by MAWG
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To: Shooter 2.5
Hilarious!!! Thanks. That's right up there with the great "Onion" parody newspaper front page that bears the headline, "KENNEDY SLAIN BY CIA, MAFIA, CASTRO, LBJ, TEAMSTERS, FREEMASONS: President Shot 129 Times From 43 Different Angles", indicating the amazing proliferation of conspiracy theories (each of which claims to be "the" true story).
186 posted on 02/03/2004 11:34:16 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
So Ichy, have you listened to the Milteer tape?
187 posted on 02/03/2004 11:34:22 AM PST by MAWG
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To: Ichneumon
Fascinating. Then why didn't they show up on the neck X-rays?

Take a look at what the CIA was purchasing from the Army to use against guard dogs. They had made 3 orders for them by November 1963 if I'm not mistaken.

Oh, right, they must have been those "invisible-to-X-rays" bullets that were so common in 1963. And the shooters (plural) who made those shots chose to use these magic bullets (!) while the other shooter(s) (that's 3+ so far) used ordinary metallic bullets because... um... they liked variety?

Again, look at the evidence. Think about what the CIA had.

Oh, wait, I know -- because despite the fact that the conspiracy theorists all claim that even hitting a "moving target" at all was somehow an "impossible" shot, you'll have us believe that the "additional" gunmen were such perfect shots that they *knew for certain* that they could make shots on a moving target so precisely that they could put them into JFK's neck from two different angles so perfectly that they could create the illusion of a single in-and-out pass-through shot, thus "hiding" their handiwork, because they knew for certain that the doctors weren't going to probe the neck wound too thoroughly *and* that the magic un-X-rayable bullets would have no chance of passing through the neck and spoiling the illusion. What a perfect plan!

It didn't take a perfect plan and it didn't go off perfectly. That's why they needed Tippit. If it didn't go off perfectly, they would have to fake an autopsy. Kennedy was hit in the throat from close range by a weapon developed by the Army. A shooter from behind failed to kill Kennedy making it necessary to ambush him in front of the knoll by the rest of the shooters. He was shot three times in front of the knoll. A rear shooter hit him in the back of the head a split second before the other two shots struck him. A .45 hit him from the knoll and striking thick bone near the ear went straight up into the air. It's path can be seen on the Zapruder film. The fatal head shot came from the front. It may be the one that made the bullet hole in the windshield.

Do you guys even *listen* to yourselves? Oops, wait, they found metallic bullet fragments in the neck wound after all:

Like going to the Clinton library to prove Clinton didn't commit treason.

188 posted on 02/03/2004 11:37:18 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Ichneumon
He was shot in the back. 45 degrees down would be the stomach.

Look at the middle picture. That corpse has earlobes. Explain that to me since Kennedy did not have earlobes.

189 posted on 02/03/2004 11:40:34 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: spodefly
Hahaha....

The shooter was supposedly six stories up. The moving vehicle the President was in was at ground level and most definitely moving forward.

Unless the shooter was both directly behind as well as on a flat plain with the target it is by default a moving target requiring a lead. No amount of endless discussion can overrule that reality.

Nevertheless, the shoot could be pristine and I still dont see a Marksman's score putting a round center mass much less making a head shot from 150 whatevers out.

He is supposedly assasinating the President. It is inherent that his heart rate will be higher than normal. He has no spotter to mark his shots.

He doesnt drop the president with the first, his heart rate spikes.
He must lose the target as a result of chambering another round.
He must reaquire the target, lead and reinitialize his breathing discipline.
He must use proper trigger pull and squeeze off a second round.
He doesnt drop the president with the second shot, his heart rate spikes a second time and the anxiety rises considerably knowing that A. He is running out of time and B. He is a poor shot.
He must lose the target again as a result of chambering a third round.
He must reaquire the target, lead a second time [unsure of his first aimpoint and the location of the first impact] and reinitialize his breathing discipline.
He must use proper trigger pull and squeeze off a third round.
Again he has no spotter to call his shots therefore he has no idea where his rounds are impacting and as a result, cannot make the correct aimpoint corrections and proper leads with any signigant amount of confidence.

Anything in life is possible theoretically but 'real' shooters dont float their identity on anything like this scenario. No disrespect intended but if you are indeed an Expert [Marine Corps] shooter you'd know this.

BTW: What MCRD did you attend? What was your score?


190 posted on 02/03/2004 11:44:48 AM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
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To: #3Fan
Then explain to me why the corpse in the autopsy photos had earlobes while Kennedy didn't.

Now you're just getting silly.

Earlobe:

Earlobe:

Earlobe:

Earlobe:

Earlobe:

Earlobe (warning, graphic autopsy image)

Oh look, earlobes everywhere. And the same ones in each -- JFK had freaky droopy-looking earlobes. The rest of the ear structure is clearly the same too.

191 posted on 02/03/2004 11:46:02 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: #3Fan
Against my better judgement I am going to answer just once. For example, I'm sure there are a dozen people who were in the street when Reagen was shot who will swear till the day they die there was a second shooter, three who heard a dozen shots, and there will be one who will swear he saw Colonel Mustard with a candlestick.

Everybody knows this.

Which it means it is absolutely irrelevant that a small percentage of the witnesses thought a shot or shots came from the grassy knoll. It would be a surprise if they did not. It is absolutely irrelevant if one or two doctor among dozens described the wounds differently. You would expect it. It means nothing.

Now the lunacy begins.

192 posted on 02/03/2004 11:49:25 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: Ichneumon
Your pictures prove that JFK's ears go straight into his head. That corpse has earlobes. You're denying what's obvious. lol
193 posted on 02/03/2004 11:52:37 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Ichneumon
You faked the earlobes onto those pictures with Photoshop. Admit it.
194 posted on 02/03/2004 11:53:21 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: Taliesan
Against my better judgement I am going to answer just once. For example, I'm sure there are a dozen people who were in the street when Reagen was shot who will swear till the day they die there was a second shooter, three who heard a dozen shots, and there will be one who will swear he saw Colonel Mustard with a candlestick. Everybody knows this.

Where are they?

Which it means it is absolutely irrelevant that a small percentage of the witnesses thought a shot or shots came from the grassy knoll. It would be a surprise if they did not. It is absolutely irrelevant if one or two doctor among dozens described the wounds differently. You would expect it. It means nothing. Now the lunacy begins.

For the magic bullet to be correct, everyone has to be a liar. The Dealy Plaza witnesses, the Tippet murder witnesses, The Ford glass specialist, the theater worker, the reporters at Parkland, the doctors at Parkland, Connally and his wife. All these people are liars?

195 posted on 02/03/2004 11:56:44 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Taliesan
You faked the earlobes onto those pictures with Photoshop. Admit it.

What earlobes? Those pictures show no earlobes.

196 posted on 02/03/2004 11:58:01 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
A few people at Dealey were wrong. Most turned toward the TSBD. A few doctors at Parkland remember incorrectly. Most agree otherwise. Mrs. Connally is no better witness than anyone else at Dealey. Gov. Connally conceded to Gerald Posner that Posner's recitation of the number and sequence of shots was plausable. And so on.

Most Americans think Oswald didn't act alone because they've seen Oliver Stone's movie and if it is in a movie it must be true. And they don't want to think a single wacko could shoot the President.

Most black people in LA think OJ is innocent. But he's not.

197 posted on 02/03/2004 12:06:41 PM PST by Taliesan
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To: #3Fan
Those pictures show the same style of earlobe as the autopsy photo shows.

You don't want to see them, so you don't. It's really that simple.

198 posted on 02/03/2004 12:08:16 PM PST by Taliesan
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To: #3Fan
Your pictures prove that JFK's ears go straight into his head. That corpse has earlobes. You're denying what's obvious. lol

Uh huh...

Check out the autopsy photo I provided as a link -- it clearly shows an attached earlobe. QED.

As for the other one, it obviously has blood in the crease between the earlobe and head (as well as elsewhere in and around the ear), only giving an impression of unattachment, but clearly is not if you look at it, you know, objectively. Furthermore the shape and convolution of the ear as a whole (including the distinctive "droopy" shape of the earlobe) is clearly JFK's, so I don't know why you're obsessing about earlobes.


199 posted on 02/03/2004 12:09:30 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: MAWG
So Ichy, have you listened to the Milteer tape?

Listened to, no, but I've read the unabridged transcript, which is a lot less interesting than the CT's would have you believe. Details.

Oooh. Ahh. A guy speculated about JFK getting shot from a building. ...in Washington in warm weather maybe by his friend Jack Brown if he ever got a good opportunity, who claimed he tried to shoot MLK, after figuring out which one of JFK's "fifteen doubles" is the real one...

Yeah, baby, there's a guy right in the middle of the conspiracy. Interestingly enough, he says that the way to actually kill JFK would be "from an office building with a high-powered rifle". Hold on, isn't that exactly how the conspiracy folks say JFK *wasn't* actually killed?

Or was he part of the cover story? These conspiracies get *so* convoluted...

200 posted on 02/03/2004 12:15:46 PM PST by Ichneumon
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