Posted on 02/02/2004 3:47:15 PM PST by DannyTN
CNN reported, “A new book offering a non-evolutionist view of how the Grand Canyon was formed, featuring essays from 23 scientists (most with PhD's, many having conducted serious geological scientific research at the Canyon), is the object of an intense book-banning effort by leading evolutionists. They have demanded that Grand Canyon National Park remove the book, Grand Canyon: A Different View, from bookstores within the Park.
The book, which claims the famous area can be no older than a few thousand years (contrary to the claims of traditional secular science, which contends the canyon is millions of years old), was unanimously approved by a panel of park and gift shop personnel, the Los Angeles Times reported.”
CNN reported that the National Park Service (NPS) in Washington, D.C. is “preparing to draft a letter telling Grand Canyon administrators the book makes claims that fall outside accepted science... so it likely won’t be restocked.” Meanwhile, an NPS spokesman has confirmed that the book has been moved from the natural sciences section of the bookstore to an ‘inspirational’ one (which would thus downplay the book’s legitimate scientific message).
What is this if it is not blatant censorship? The Evolutionists have formed what amounts to a ‘cartel’ of influential liberals and agnostics who are bent upon silencing all challenges.
On the basis of elaborate non-proven theories, the Evolution Cartel now protects itself from scientific challenge by banning all books that don’t agree with their arrogant claims, which are fundamentally based on enormous assumptions that are then supported by circular reasoning.
Evolution Cartel Out of Step with Majority
According to recent poles, at least half of Americans believe in a recent “creation” of no more than 10,000 years. Some of the greatest names in science are among those who believe in recent creation.
In the 1960’s, I had the privilege of leading a scientist from the Rocketdyne Propulsion Laboratories to faith in Jesus Christ. Charles Morse then spent the rest of his life studying the Biblical account of creation and the universal flood.
Using some the world's most sophisticated computers, he set up models from scientific information that established a global flood had to have taken place.
From these models, he was able to interpret the geological records in scientific terms so that they supported a recent creation.
Evidence to Consider
Since Morse had been a naval officer in WW2, he had studied and had access to scientific oceanography data. This included the ‘mid-oceanic ridges’ with deep trenches traversing their length. These ridges extend along the length of all earth’s ocean. He also learned about the ‘river cones’, which are underwater river channels that extend along the ocean floor for over a hundred miles out from the mouth of every great river in the world.
Morse found that the Evolutionist’s explanation of the ‘river cones’ could never work. Evolutionists contend that the ‘river cones’ were etched into the ocean floor by slow moving currents that etched them out over ‘millions of years’.
(Whenever evolutionists are stuck for an explanation, they always seem to think that adding a few million more years solves everything.) But this could not explain how the underwater channels were formed.
These so called river cones are literally extensions of the rivers on the ocean floor. Only water moving at tremendous velocity would have the ability to carry the large rocks necessary to etch out such deep trenches on a line continuing out from the river on the ocean floor.
The same thing is true concerning the phenomenon of the Grand Canyon. If these were formed by slow moving currents over millions of years, why has this not taken place in other places where the rivers are about the same age?
Rivers such as Mississippi, Nile, Amazon, Euphrates, etc., should have produced similar phenomena. If the Grand Canyon is millions of years old, why has there not been more erosion of the steep cliffs?
The Biblical account of a universal flood better explains the geological phenomena of the Grand Canyon than does the evolutionist theory. If there was a universal flood, and it was caused to drain of the land rapidly as the Biblical account declares, then there would have been enormous amounts of water draining off at terrific velocity.
This would easily form the rivers and canyons we see today. And most important, it would also explain how the river cones were formed out from the mouth of every river into the ocean floor.
The fossil record is also explained best this way. Why do we find fossilized fish at the top of mountains all over the world? Why do we find evidence of sea life on land areas the world over?
Where Did The Water Come From?
Morse also dealt with the question of where the tremendous volume of water came from that would be needed to cover all the land mass of the planet.
The Bible says, “In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.” (Genesis 7:11-12 NIV)
Morse observed that there could not have been enough water stored in the atmosphere to cover the whole earth. Most of the water came from what the Bible called “the springs of the great deep…” This is where the “mid-oceanic trenches” come in.
There is evidence that there were tremendously violent eruptions that took place in these Great fractures of the earth’s tectonic plates. There is also radioactivity coming from these areas. Morse reasons from the evidence that God used some kind of nuclear reaction to burst open the great fountains of the deep and release the water stored there.
Then Morse dealt with the problem of how that much water could be removed from the land masses of the earth. The geological evidence supports that God caused enormous forces under the continental plates to erupt and force them to rise upward. This caused the water to drain off with violent velocity.
This gives the best explanation of the evidence as to how the rivers, mountains and canyons were formed. The water velocity had the carrying power and force to move great rocks so as to quickly etch out what we see today.
In the final analysis, whether you are an evolutionist or a creationist, it takes faith to come to a conclusion about how the earth was created and formed.
I believe in creation because the God I worship has the power to do any of these things. And it explains the scientifically available fact better than the evolutionist theory.
Even Darwin Found a Better Way
As a matter of fact, even Charles Darwin came to that conclusion before he died. According to Frank Charles Thompson, God used the wife of the First Admiral of the British fleet to reach Charles Darwin with the Gospel. Here is what he reported:
“God used Lady Hope, wife of the first admiral of the British Fleet, to reach Charles Darwin with the Gospel during the last years of his life. He was bedridden, and she would often visit him. One afternoon, as he was reading this Bible, she asked, “What are you studying now?” “Still Hebrews,” he replied. “I call it the royal book. Isn’t it grand?”
When she mentioned how popular his theory of evolution had become he gave her an anguished look and said, “I was a young man then, with uninformed ideas. I thought out queries and suggestions, wondering all the time … and to my astonishment, those ideas took like wildfire. People made a religion out of them."
Later Darwin asked Lady Hope if she would share the Word of God with some of his friends in his summerhouse. She asked, “What shall I speak about?” He replied, “Jesus Christ and His salvation. Is that not the best theme?”
Dr. Victor Pierce, an Oxford scholar, says, “When some one tells you evolution explains everything, tell them that Darwin discovered a better theme — “Jesus Christ and His salvation.”
Nobody censored anything. People can still buy the book, but if the Park decides not to sell one particular whackjob book, I don't think it's a bad decision.
No one has a "right" to have shelf space given over for their book, even in a government run park.
It's pretty funny though, these guys making claims the canyon was carved in a short time. Hiking down the canyon is the best place for almost anyone to get a glaringly obvious clue that the Earth is really really old.
Unfortunatly, only a very few visitors to the Canyon will ever hike down to the bottom to see for themselves how the billion+ year old rock differs from the rock higher up. And will certianly never find any of the fossles there, buried under an incredible amount of rock.
In case anyone's interested, the best theory is that the Colorado plateau where the Canyon is, rose up, allowing the river to carve down into it as a Canyon, rather than generating a meander basin over No. Arizona.
But, it's just the current theory. The scientists haven't nailed it down solid yet. Unlike the garbage spread by the creationists (who are CERTIAN of their science, and will not stand questioning), there is much in the scientific literature that isn't settled yet.
But Evolution, for all practical purposes, is settled. Until someone can come up with some real evidence to counteract the litteral mountains of evidence supporting Evolution.
By the way. How come creationists write off the fact that Genesis doesn't mention dinosaurs, but they refuse write off the fact that Genesis doesn't completly describe Evolution either?
Really? So the Bible didn't leave out anything? It told the whole story?
If so, then why did these guys have to write the creationist theory on the Grand Canyon? I would have thought that would have been in the Bible already.
So God's "days" have no relation to human "days". You're saying the Earth is around 4 billion years old then?
I really don't remember that verse in Genesis where it says that. There's only a couple of chapters in Genesis that deals with creation, so there's not too much detail there.
So if God created the Earth "mature", he did this to fool us? Was it some kind of faith test?
Their system of dating is bogus and it has been from the get go.
Which system? I've heard of quite a few different methods, and generally they back each other up rather well.
For myself, I don't have my faith challenged by either Evolution or an "Old Earth". It's one of those funny things about religious folk, that they can't agree on which denomination is "right", or whether it's "saved by grace", or is it "works", or whatever.
Religious people can't agree on a great many important religious dogmas. It doesn't surprise me that some (and probably not even a majority) of religious people insist on rejecting science too.
Two earlier threads, from 2 and 3 weeks ago:
Grand Canyon Made By Noah's Flood, Book Says (Geologists Skewer Park For Selling Creationism)
The Grand Canyon: Created by Noah's Flood?.
Really? Which ones?
Gravity? Orbital Mechanics? E=Mc2? (ever heard of the atom bomb?)
There are a bunch of cranks out there that foist themselves off as "scientists". Most notably, the green idiots and the creationists are two-of-a-kind.
But there are some very hard sciences out there that deserve the respect most people have in them. Evolution is one of those.
That does have to be the funniest one yet....
Who could ever suspect such an illogical thing?
Funny how so often there's some kind of a river running through those steep-walled features, though. The Potomac flows through something called "The Narrows" near where I live. I could almost see how someone might think the river cut that gorge. Then there's the gorge of the Colorado, the gorge of the Brahmaputra, the narrows of the Yellowstone, the black canyon of the Gunnison ...
Yet you have no problem using the fruits of science, such as computers, the internet, microwave ovens, tvs, vaccines etc.
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