Posted on 02/02/2004 3:47:15 PM PST by DannyTN
CNN reported, “A new book offering a non-evolutionist view of how the Grand Canyon was formed, featuring essays from 23 scientists (most with PhD's, many having conducted serious geological scientific research at the Canyon), is the object of an intense book-banning effort by leading evolutionists. They have demanded that Grand Canyon National Park remove the book, Grand Canyon: A Different View, from bookstores within the Park.
The book, which claims the famous area can be no older than a few thousand years (contrary to the claims of traditional secular science, which contends the canyon is millions of years old), was unanimously approved by a panel of park and gift shop personnel, the Los Angeles Times reported.”
CNN reported that the National Park Service (NPS) in Washington, D.C. is “preparing to draft a letter telling Grand Canyon administrators the book makes claims that fall outside accepted science... so it likely won’t be restocked.” Meanwhile, an NPS spokesman has confirmed that the book has been moved from the natural sciences section of the bookstore to an ‘inspirational’ one (which would thus downplay the book’s legitimate scientific message).
What is this if it is not blatant censorship? The Evolutionists have formed what amounts to a ‘cartel’ of influential liberals and agnostics who are bent upon silencing all challenges.
On the basis of elaborate non-proven theories, the Evolution Cartel now protects itself from scientific challenge by banning all books that don’t agree with their arrogant claims, which are fundamentally based on enormous assumptions that are then supported by circular reasoning.
Evolution Cartel Out of Step with Majority
According to recent poles, at least half of Americans believe in a recent “creation” of no more than 10,000 years. Some of the greatest names in science are among those who believe in recent creation.
In the 1960’s, I had the privilege of leading a scientist from the Rocketdyne Propulsion Laboratories to faith in Jesus Christ. Charles Morse then spent the rest of his life studying the Biblical account of creation and the universal flood.
Using some the world's most sophisticated computers, he set up models from scientific information that established a global flood had to have taken place.
From these models, he was able to interpret the geological records in scientific terms so that they supported a recent creation.
Evidence to Consider
Since Morse had been a naval officer in WW2, he had studied and had access to scientific oceanography data. This included the ‘mid-oceanic ridges’ with deep trenches traversing their length. These ridges extend along the length of all earth’s ocean. He also learned about the ‘river cones’, which are underwater river channels that extend along the ocean floor for over a hundred miles out from the mouth of every great river in the world.
Morse found that the Evolutionist’s explanation of the ‘river cones’ could never work. Evolutionists contend that the ‘river cones’ were etched into the ocean floor by slow moving currents that etched them out over ‘millions of years’.
(Whenever evolutionists are stuck for an explanation, they always seem to think that adding a few million more years solves everything.) But this could not explain how the underwater channels were formed.
These so called river cones are literally extensions of the rivers on the ocean floor. Only water moving at tremendous velocity would have the ability to carry the large rocks necessary to etch out such deep trenches on a line continuing out from the river on the ocean floor.
The same thing is true concerning the phenomenon of the Grand Canyon. If these were formed by slow moving currents over millions of years, why has this not taken place in other places where the rivers are about the same age?
Rivers such as Mississippi, Nile, Amazon, Euphrates, etc., should have produced similar phenomena. If the Grand Canyon is millions of years old, why has there not been more erosion of the steep cliffs?
The Biblical account of a universal flood better explains the geological phenomena of the Grand Canyon than does the evolutionist theory. If there was a universal flood, and it was caused to drain of the land rapidly as the Biblical account declares, then there would have been enormous amounts of water draining off at terrific velocity.
This would easily form the rivers and canyons we see today. And most important, it would also explain how the river cones were formed out from the mouth of every river into the ocean floor.
The fossil record is also explained best this way. Why do we find fossilized fish at the top of mountains all over the world? Why do we find evidence of sea life on land areas the world over?
Where Did The Water Come From?
Morse also dealt with the question of where the tremendous volume of water came from that would be needed to cover all the land mass of the planet.
The Bible says, “In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.” (Genesis 7:11-12 NIV)
Morse observed that there could not have been enough water stored in the atmosphere to cover the whole earth. Most of the water came from what the Bible called “the springs of the great deep…” This is where the “mid-oceanic trenches” come in.
There is evidence that there were tremendously violent eruptions that took place in these Great fractures of the earth’s tectonic plates. There is also radioactivity coming from these areas. Morse reasons from the evidence that God used some kind of nuclear reaction to burst open the great fountains of the deep and release the water stored there.
Then Morse dealt with the problem of how that much water could be removed from the land masses of the earth. The geological evidence supports that God caused enormous forces under the continental plates to erupt and force them to rise upward. This caused the water to drain off with violent velocity.
This gives the best explanation of the evidence as to how the rivers, mountains and canyons were formed. The water velocity had the carrying power and force to move great rocks so as to quickly etch out what we see today.
In the final analysis, whether you are an evolutionist or a creationist, it takes faith to come to a conclusion about how the earth was created and formed.
I believe in creation because the God I worship has the power to do any of these things. And it explains the scientifically available fact better than the evolutionist theory.
Even Darwin Found a Better Way
As a matter of fact, even Charles Darwin came to that conclusion before he died. According to Frank Charles Thompson, God used the wife of the First Admiral of the British fleet to reach Charles Darwin with the Gospel. Here is what he reported:
“God used Lady Hope, wife of the first admiral of the British Fleet, to reach Charles Darwin with the Gospel during the last years of his life. He was bedridden, and she would often visit him. One afternoon, as he was reading this Bible, she asked, “What are you studying now?” “Still Hebrews,” he replied. “I call it the royal book. Isn’t it grand?”
When she mentioned how popular his theory of evolution had become he gave her an anguished look and said, “I was a young man then, with uninformed ideas. I thought out queries and suggestions, wondering all the time … and to my astonishment, those ideas took like wildfire. People made a religion out of them."
Later Darwin asked Lady Hope if she would share the Word of God with some of his friends in his summerhouse. She asked, “What shall I speak about?” He replied, “Jesus Christ and His salvation. Is that not the best theme?”
Dr. Victor Pierce, an Oxford scholar, says, “When some one tells you evolution explains everything, tell them that Darwin discovered a better theme — “Jesus Christ and His salvation.”
LOL! Will need to add them to my list! :-)
Will be back on this evening.
No, but this book was written by 24 PHD's who all came to the same conclusion after making scientific observations through different fields of study.
"Do you know what the definition is of a scientific theory?
The definition varies some. Evolutionists like to throw out definitions of "science" that limit it to the study of natural phenomena because they think that thereby they can stop all discussion of intelligent design, because they define "natural" as excluding intelligent design.
The definitions I use are:
Based on my definitions, the scientific essays presented in the book are indeed scientific theories. Based on your definition, it ain't science if it's intelligent design no matter what the evidence says.
I don't know. If I went into the Yosemite gift shop and saw a religious book section and a natural history section it wouldn't even enter my mind that the Park Service is discriminating or endorsing one view over another. I suppose if one looked hard enough one could find religious discrimination everywhere.
I don't have a problem having a religious section, but I wouldn't have a problem if the selections were all together, either. Both sides are overreacting, IMO.
Playing this out all the way is likely to result in no books being sold at national parks.
Really??? You have a list? I've read most of Lindsey's books. He doesn't make that many predictions. I bet he hasn't made a hundred predictions in his life. I've seen a list of the predictions that came true and it's a lot more than three.
And the prediction Hal gets the most grief over, the prediction that Jesus would likely return within 40 years of Israel becoming a nation again, he had about 5 "if's" qualifying the prediction when he made it. In other words he originally said, "If this, if that, if this, if that, if this, then this might happen." And what do you know, he was wrong!
What a liar Hal is! /Sarcasm off
That's exactly right. You would assume that the one and only theory the Park Service presents in it's science section is the one and only scientific theory.
You would probably not bother to buy and read the book in the religious section where you would discover that there are valid scientific arguments for a different view.
You might want to add that the theory of evolution did not lead to such things as you list above. There is a difference between the laws of Physics being used to create things and the educated guesses of evolution which change so much that who knows how anything got started.
Evolution exists so that people who don't want to believe or seek God can be intellectually fulfilled.
Not me, personally, but some might, I suppose.
I would not look to the Park Service for an opinion on this subject nor would I expect them to have one. I would be out climbing a precipice or exploring a crevice, not fretting about how the books are displayed. But, that's just me.
You are of course right, Danny, but you may as well save your fingers and your mind from trying to get the evolutionists here to see the obvious, common-sense reality in play. Evolution cannot withstand genuine scientific debate, so its proponents instead rely on attacks and laughter to discredit the messengers. Some will throw a page of links at you to support their side, but it's all the same regurgitated bunch of circular reasoning and wild assumptions that would be laughed at in any other scientific discipline.
It's ironic that you see the behavior across all political persuasions, when you consider how virtually every person here also decries the exact same practice from liberals who forbid any real discussion of certain issues. For example, when's the last time you heard a real discussion on racial issues? You don't. Anyone who attempts to start an honest dialog is immediately shouted down by the opposition, laughed at, trivialized, scorned, labeled a bigot. This is a common methodology when their side of an issue is dogmatically adhered to and can't withstand the light of reason.
Fact is, these people have bought wholly into the "wisdom" of a few men, accepting it as incontrovertible truth, over the Word of God, even though the Word makes infinitely more sense. They're blinded by Satan; they're the classic scoffers the Bible warned about when God dictated it a couple thousand years ago. Here's a passage from 2 Peter (NLT). See if it seems relevant:
First, I want to remind you that in the last days there will be scoffers who will laugh at the truth and do every evil thing they desire.
This will be their argument: "Jesus promised to come back, did he? Then where is he? Why, as far back as anyone can remember, everything has remained exactly the same since the world was first created."
They deliberately forget that God made the heavens by the word of his command, and he brought the earth up from the water and surrounded it with water. Then he used the water to destroy the world with a mighty flood.
Quite prescient, eh? Of course, The Bible always is. I've given up any attempt to discuss this issue with the other side. I should pray more for them, though. Satan's hold is so strong now that it blinds even Christians and causes them to do the work of the enemy, discrediting the Bible, trying to force it to conform to the "wisdom" of flawed men, instead of accepting what God has to say on the issue. Pray for them, and remember: Just as you and I will, every single scoffer here and everywhere, will kneel before Jesus Christ and give an accounting.
MM
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