Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Trend of Vanishing Tech Jobs
The New York Times ^ | January 29, 2004 | VIRGINIA POSTREL

Posted on 01/29/2004 11:17:46 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

January 29, 2004
ECONOMIC SCENE

The Trend of Vanishing Tech Jobs

By VIRGINIA POSTREL

MANY American computer programmers complain that they're losing their jobs to lower-paid workers in India. The trend toward foreign "outsourcing" has become a political flashpoint.

But the trend is less frightening and more promising than you'd think from either the angry talk from unemployed programmers or the scary estimates from consulting firms, argues Catherine L. Mann, an economist at the Institute for International Economics in Washington.

First, the end of the technology boom, the general economic slump, and the downturn in manufacturing - not foreign programming competition - account for most job losses. Most estimates, Dr. Mann notes, compare the peak of the business cycle and technology boom with today's sluggish economy. That's not a valid comparison.

Compared with the end of 1999, which was still a good time for programmers, December 2003 data show a 14 percent increase in business and financial occupations, a 6 percent increase in computer and mathematical jobs, and a 2 percent drop in architecture and engineering jobs. New programming jobs may be springing up in India, but they aren't canceling out job growth in the United States.

The problem for white-collar professionals, as for line workers, is that manufacturing is still in a slump. "When the production floor doesn't produce any more, the people in the window offices around the building also start to lose their jobs," Dr. Mann says.

Over the long run, she argues, the globalization of software and computer services will enhance American productivity growth and create new higher-value, higher-paid technical jobs.

What's happening now to software and services has already happened to hardware, with great economic results.

In the late 1980's, Asian manufacturers began turning out basic memory chips, undercutting American chip makers' prices and inciting a fierce policy debate. Many industry leaders argued that the United States would lose its technological edge unless the government intervened to protect chip makers.

In a famous 1988 Harvard Business Review article, Charles Ferguson, then a postdoctoral associate at the Center for Technology Policy and Industrial Development at M.I.T., summed up the conventional wisdom: "Most experts believe that without deep changes in both industry behavior and government policy, U.S. microelectronics will be reduced to permanent, decisive inferiority within 10 years."

He denounced the "fragmented, chronically entrepreneurial industry" of Silicon Valley, which was losing market share to government-aided Asian businesses. "Only economists moved by the invisible hand," he wrote, "have failed to apprehend the problem."

Those optimistic economists were right. The dire predictions were wrong. American semiconductor makers shifted to higher-value microprocessors. Computer companies bought commodity memory chips and other components, from keyboards to disk drives, abroad. Businesses and consumers enjoyed cheaper and cheaper prices.

Far from an economic disaster, the result was a productivity boom. As global manufacturing helped to reduce the price of information technology sharply, all sorts of businesses, from banks to retailers, found new, more productive ways to use the technology.

"Globalized production and international trade made I.T. hardware some 10 to 30 percent less expensive than it otherwise would have been," Dr. Mann estimates in an institute policy brief. (Her paper, "Globalization of I.T. Services and White-Collar Jobs: The Next Wave of Productivity Growth," can be downloaded at iie.com.)

As a result, she estimates, gross domestic product grew about 0.3 percentage point a year faster than it would have otherwise, adding up to $230 billion over the seven years from 1995 to 2002. "That's real money," she said in an interview.

By building the components for new integrated software systems inexpensively, offshore programmers could make information technology affordable to business sectors that haven't yet joined the productivity boom: small and medium-size businesses, health care and construction.

"Bringing those sectors up to at least the average will raise U.S. G.D.P. growth again," Dr. Mann notes. "And that's the second wave of productivity growth."

In addition to the economic benefits, she argues that improved information management could significantly improve health care, reducing paperwork and guarding against treatment mistakes like dangerous drug interactions.

That doesn't mean your health records will be in India, however. To the contrary, the health care system is probably too convoluted for someone far away to understand.

Rather, like hardware, software can be divided into components, basic building blocks of integrated systems. While those components may be developed abroad, integrating them into a useful system requires more specific knowledge of the client organization or its legal environment.

As with putting together hardware, building software systems is likely to happen locally. There will be less demand for basic programming and more demand for higher-value, higher-paid systems integration.

These projections aren't much comfort, of course, to unemployed programmers. While their skills may be in demand, Dr. Mann explains, those jobs may be in new industries - a hospital, for instance, rather than at I.B.M. - and therefore be harder to find. Or programmers may need new training to move into systems integration jobs.

To encourage companies to invest in such training, Dr. Mann argues for a "human capital investment tax credit," similar to the credit for investing in physical equipment. She also believes that the federal aid given to displaced manufacturing workers should be extended to cover information industries. And she suggests that information technology itself may help with job searches, crossing the old boundaries of classified ads.

But, she argues, acknowledging individual hardships shouldn't detract from the bigger picture.

"There is no question that the downside anecdote - the well-trained person losing their job - is a story that people identify with," Dr. Mann says. "They simply don't identify with the story of the person who changed their job and does three times better."

"Most of the stories are about downside loss, not about upside gain," she adds, "and there is a lot of upside gain."

Virginia Postrel is the author of "The Substance of Style: How the Rise of Aesthetic Value Is Remaking Commerce, Culture and Consciousness," published by HarperCollins


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Technical
KEYWORDS: globalization; hightech; jobs; outsourcing; trade; virginiapostrel
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-23 next last
"Most of the stories are about downside loss, not about upside gain," she adds, "and there is a lot of upside gain."

Some positive news for a change!

1 posted on 01/29/2004 11:17:46 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; snopercod; Willie Green; BOBTHENAILER; Beck_isright; ...
For discussion, as jobs are a big political issue .
2 posted on 01/29/2004 11:24:05 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Nice if true, but I have many techie friends and they're selling paint, working in groceries, trying to get small computer jobs. They sure aren't better off. Out of 9 friends, only one is still in computers and he's a genius. LOL Really. :0)
3 posted on 01/30/2004 12:17:15 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (SHUT THE DOOR IN 2004!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ETERNAL WARMING
"Out of 9 friends, only one is still in computers and he's a genius."

Jobs Americans Won't Do: Voodoo Economics from the White House.


4 posted on 01/30/2004 12:20:13 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Happy2BMe
If we had any brains, we'd outsource our Politicians. :0)

Let them get a taste of "jobs Americans won't do."
5 posted on 01/30/2004 12:31:38 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (SHUT THE DOOR IN 2004!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
...argues Catherine L. Mann, an economist at the Institute for International Economics in Washington.

Uh, hold on there before you pop the cork. This "institute" is a lobby group consisting of the four biggest culprits in outsourcing American jobs, IBM, HP, Dell, and someone else (GM?). They created this "institute" in an attempt to stem the bad press they are getting and Mann is just their paid spokesmouth. In fact, they are posting a net loss of American jobs.

6 posted on 01/30/2004 1:29:32 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
That's right, it'll all work itself out at the macro level.

Meanwhile, what happens if the foreign policy interests of the countries we are outsourcing these jobs to diverge from our own? Will they always be willing to sell us the hardware and software that make the "smart weapons" we depend on for our national defense work?

One of the reasons the Soviet Union fell was because they couldn't innovate fast enough to keep up with the West after Reagan convinced our allies to embargo sales of high tech. equipment to the USSR and Warsaw Pact. Will the US one day find ourselves in the same position?

By outsourcing our entry and mid level hardware and software engineering positions we are discouraging our young people from pursuing careers in those fields We are selecting against innovation. Is this wise?
7 posted on 01/30/2004 1:38:14 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Californians: Please visit www.save187.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Admin Moderator
Isn't the NY TIMES on the verboten list?
8 posted on 01/30/2004 4:05:53 AM PST by Huck (Hold on to your wallet--the President's awake!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KC_Conspirator
Good catch!
9 posted on 01/30/2004 4:26:15 AM PST by Ed_in_NJ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This period reminds me of the post-Empire State Building period. That was the last skyscraper for a long time.

But moreso a fictional version of that: in Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead", where the genius architect is forced into all sorts of non-architect work, and the market shakes out all the really bad poffers with whom he could not compete for they established a bar of very low expectations any great performer always stumbles on for group jealousies and being perceived as odd. After the old low market expectations and dynamics supporting it are rotted away, the new ground is very fertile towards allowing the gifted to be recoginized as gifted, and the market to build up around them.

Rand was a rosy-glasses idealist that way.

10 posted on 01/30/2004 4:35:11 AM PST by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I you want good furniture, would you prefer American-made Amish craftsmanship, or Indian/Chinese veneer?

Call me a racist/culturalist ... but software development is not much different. Soon enough, CFOs will recognize that it makes better business sense to spend the money for good quality American programming instead of Indian programming.

Indians may make good call center operators, but not developers.

FWIW, I'm a software developer, and the "tool" we wrote to help us with projects has deteriorated since its development was taken over by our Indian office. Bugs, lost functionality, and it takes 14x longer to get them to fix anything....

Oh, yeah, I'm losing my job of 5 years in May.
11 posted on 01/30/2004 4:45:08 AM PST by Theo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
VIRGINIA POSTREL one of my favorite authors
12 posted on 01/30/2004 6:56:39 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Theo
>I you want good furniture, would you prefer American-made Amish craftsmanship, or Indian/Chinese veneer?

The Amish costs more but lasts many years. The veneer dorm furniture will look like crap in two years.

Take a look at shoes. A $250 pair of Allen-Edmonds (US made) can be resoled and will last 30 years. Taking inflation into account, that cost is very similar to what everyone paid for shoes 30 years ago, although this amount is seen as very high today.

www.allenedmonds.com

13 posted on 01/30/2004 7:22:47 AM PST by Dialup Llama
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Huck
No, not the NY Times. LA Times, Washington Post and their affiliates.
14 posted on 01/30/2004 8:53:14 AM PST by Admin Moderator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

Bump
15 posted on 01/30/2004 9:02:33 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... /~normsrevenge - FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Admin Moderator
Thanks!
16 posted on 01/30/2004 9:40:20 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; ETERNAL WARMING; Happy2BMe; KC_Conspirator; InABunkerUnderSF; Huck; bvw; ...
The problem for white-collar professionals, as for line workers, is that manufacturing is still in a slump.

This is the only true statement in this article. Engineering follows manufacturing and similarly will never return. Yes, there will be new jobs - paying wages comparable to those in India, China and Bangladesh. When this guy talks about "increasing productivity" he leaves out the crucial part - "by decreasing wages". In short he is telling us not to be concerned for now. At least until it's too late.
17 posted on 01/30/2004 1:25:35 PM PST by silversky
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
More theory from the open borders / unilateral free trade cartel.
18 posted on 01/30/2004 1:26:22 PM PST by sixmil
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KC_Conspirator
On the board of directors is George Soros
President and Chairman, Soros Fund Management.

http://www.iie.com/institute/board.htm
19 posted on 01/30/2004 6:11:30 PM PST by bwteim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: bwteim
That is even a bigger catch than I I had.
20 posted on 01/31/2004 2:32:02 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-23 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson