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2nd ID Seeks to Curb Lap Dancing at Clubs
Stars and Stripes Pacific Edition ^ | 01/26/04 | Seth Robson

Posted on 01/29/2004 7:20:48 AM PST by Modernman

CAMP RED CLOUD, South Korea - The 2nd Infantry Division wants lap dancing banned in Area I nightclubs frequented by U.S. soldiers, according to documents to be presented this week to the Korean Special Tourist Association and local mayors.

Club owners and mayors will have 30 days to respond to a proposed association and 2nd ID Good Commerce Practices Guide, which sets out standards expected of clubs near U.S. bases in Area I.

Last year lap dancing was explicitly authorized in an attachment to the 2nd ID's 2002-2003 policy. The proposed guide states: "Though lap dancing is authorized under 2nd Infantry Division policy, it has not been defined. For the purposes of good order and discipline, lap dancing will be defined here," and the definition integrated into conduct standards.

The proposed guide defines lap dancing as an activity that occurs "when a club dancer is approached by or offers to dance for a soldier … typically of the opposite sex. This interaction between dancer and soldier is typically done at very close quarters."

The guide then imposes such strict rules for the practice that it effectively bans it, stating, "This type of behavior does not honor either individual involved. Since soldiers are soldiers 24/7, they are not at liberty to lower their professional bearing after hours."

It suggests lap dancing be treated as "client-focused exotic dancing" and that club owners "prohibit any physical contact between dancers and customers" and "ban the practice of customers placing money/bills in dancers' garments: g-strings, bras, garters or other apparel." The guide also would "require that private dances in remote areas of the club be directly visible" to military police inspecting a club.

The man who wrote the guide, 2nd ID assistant chief of staff Lt. Col. Chris Bailey, said he researched lap dancing laws in the United States and Britain before preparing the policy.

"We are following trends in the U.S.," Bailey said. "Lap dancing has taken on a new level of interest in the American media. It is outlawed in Los Angeles and Las Vegas."

He said lap dancing is associated with other undesirable activity such as human trafficking, which the proposed guide also includes measures to prevent. The 2nd ID also has imposed other rules and procedures in recent years after media reports that suggested the military was doing too little to prevent human trafficking in South Korea.

The new policy also states that clubs for South Korean augmentees to the U.S. military should "not tolerate prostitution or human trafficking."

Sgt. 1st Class Stuart Greer, of the 2nd ID's Headquarters and Headquarters Company, told soldiers gathered at Camp Red Cloud for New Horizon Day earlier this month that hundreds of thousands of women are human trafficking victims each year.

The crime often involves women duped into moving to a foreign country, then forced to become sex workers there. Greer said he learned about human trafficking after meeting his Philippine wife when she was working in a South Korean nightclub.

"When I was dating my wife, I found out her sister in Bahrain hadn't been paid in 10 months. She was working 16 hours a day, six days a week. Through many e-mails and telephone calls we took this guy to court and he had to pay her and return her to the Philippines," he said.

Southeast Asia is a major source of human trafficking, as is the former Soviet Union, Greer said.

"In 2002, news organizations connected trafficking with the military in South Korea," he said. They suggested that U.S. military "courtesy patrols" were guarding establishments that engaged in human trafficking and condoned prostitution. Indicators of trafficking include money exchanged between soldiers and club employees for unexplained reasons or employees that cannot leave clubs and have no access to their passports, he said.

Greer said he is certain prostitution still happens at some clubs in Area I.

"My wife came here as a dancer. She went to dance school. The club owner said, 'You can dance and make $500 a month or you can sit with the customers and if they buy you a drink you will make more.' But I have heard of other people in clubs that actually engage in prostitution.

"In the club she sat next to me and talked," he said. "The other clubs, they do lap dances."

The Good Commerce Practices Guide will be presented at a Jan. 30 dinner to be attended by Brig. Gen. John Shortal, 2nd ID assistant division commander for support, officials said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 2ndid; korea; lapdancing; military; militarybases; prostitution; southkorea; strip
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To: chookter
Germany is now a 'dry' tour--no beer, even off duty.

Just D&amn!!! Is that true? I was there in '79='82. This is incredible, if true. I wonder how they enforce it?

41 posted on 01/29/2004 9:59:00 AM PST by NeonKnight
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To: af_vet_1981
"...Honor...."

Now there's a word you'll never hear at your local university ---except maybe as in "honor killing."

42 posted on 01/29/2004 10:18:26 AM PST by cookcounty (JohnFKerry: "The only man in history to be on both sides of 3 wars.")
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To: Modernman
I'm sure this wasn't going on during the siege of Troy.

LOL. And the military brass was "banning" it then with just as much success as the brass will have now.

43 posted on 01/29/2004 10:28:37 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Prodigal Son
From a guy who just came back in July.
44 posted on 01/29/2004 10:42:49 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: Prodigal Son
It's true, and they are enforcing it. Some of the posts are giving guys breathalyzer tests when they return from town. Any reading of alcohol and it's an article 15. For officer's, it's a letter of reprimand...
45 posted on 01/29/2004 10:44:59 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: NeonKnight
See my further posts on this above.
46 posted on 01/29/2004 10:45:40 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: quietolong
Guys like Weaselly Clark.

Why do you think Rummy had to call a General out of retirement to be CoS of the Army?

47 posted on 01/29/2004 10:47:42 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: chookter
It's true, and they are enforcing it. Some of the posts are giving guys breathalyzer tests when they return from town. Any reading of alcohol and it's an article 15. For officer's, it's a letter of reprimand...

What prompted to military to pass this rule? Seems pretty damn stupid.

48 posted on 01/29/2004 10:48:36 AM PST by Modernman ("The details of my life are quite inconsequential...." - Dr. Evil)
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To: MikeWUSAF
Amen to that! We are talking about men that are trained to kill people. I don't think I'd question them as to how they relieve stress...

I would. I do not approve of of prostitution, rape, adultery, incest, child prostitution, and any other pagan debauchery men and women have been known to practice, whether committed by Americans or to Americans.

I know this is the way that pagans conduct wars but it is ignoble, decadent, immoral, perverse, and ungodly. Those who practice it should be not be honored but rather rebuked and/or judged.

49 posted on 01/29/2004 10:50:27 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Modernman
I'm sure this wasn't going on during the siege of Troy.

Probably not. Back then, soldiers were screwing each other.

50 posted on 01/29/2004 10:50:43 AM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Modernman
These guys are putting their lives on the line far away from home for months and months at a time, the majority are young and single, and they spend most of their waking hours surrounded primarily by other sweaty, smelly dudes. And they're not supposed to have any kind of fun at all with girls, even in their off hours?

This is what happens when we let the FemiNazis get their nose in under the tent.

51 posted on 01/29/2004 10:51:40 AM PST by jpl
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To: Modernman
What prompted to military to pass this rule? Seems pretty damn stupid.

Zealous non-drinking commanders.

52 posted on 01/29/2004 10:52:41 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: af_vet_1981
Honor, duty, and country do not require pagan debauchery

yeah, but they're alot more tolerable that way. especially when you've got a needledick like wesley clark for a commander.

53 posted on 01/29/2004 10:53:57 AM PST by ameribbean expat
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To: af_vet_1981
Zealot.

What about Patton's quote? "A man who can't f&^% can't fight."

So as far as hookers and drink, you will impose your personal beliefs on your troops. Bad leadership.

54 posted on 01/29/2004 10:55:28 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: LN2Campy
"the better answer is to face reality regarding the "oldest profession"


Sadly, facing reality is not usually a penchant for the anti-sex crowds. I agree with you though.
55 posted on 01/29/2004 10:56:15 AM PST by Blzbba
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To: chookter
You could whatever women are in your family with your buddies and tell me it is none of my business if you pimp them out but you would be wrong.
56 posted on 01/29/2004 10:56:40 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Modernman
He said lap dancing is associated with other undesirable activity such as human trafficking,

I kinda though it was associated with making a buck. Last I heard, that was an American kinda thing to do.

57 posted on 01/29/2004 10:56:49 AM PST by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: Modernman
"It seems silly that the military would waste time on something like this. These soldiers are sitting a couple of miles from about a million North Koreans who could come over the border at any minute. I'm not going to question how they choose to relieve that stress."


Agreed 100%.
58 posted on 01/29/2004 10:57:24 AM PST by Blzbba
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To: ameribbean expat
yeah, but they're alot more tolerable that way

They bring hatred on the American military for no good reason.

59 posted on 01/29/2004 10:57:59 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: boxerblues
"this is nothing new"


Agreed. Men wanting to see women naked is hardly a new phenomenon or one that "reflects poorly on our nation's values".
60 posted on 01/29/2004 10:58:35 AM PST by Blzbba
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