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2nd ID Seeks to Curb Lap Dancing at Clubs
Stars and Stripes Pacific Edition ^ | 01/26/04 | Seth Robson

Posted on 01/29/2004 7:20:48 AM PST by Modernman

CAMP RED CLOUD, South Korea - The 2nd Infantry Division wants lap dancing banned in Area I nightclubs frequented by U.S. soldiers, according to documents to be presented this week to the Korean Special Tourist Association and local mayors.

Club owners and mayors will have 30 days to respond to a proposed association and 2nd ID Good Commerce Practices Guide, which sets out standards expected of clubs near U.S. bases in Area I.

Last year lap dancing was explicitly authorized in an attachment to the 2nd ID's 2002-2003 policy. The proposed guide states: "Though lap dancing is authorized under 2nd Infantry Division policy, it has not been defined. For the purposes of good order and discipline, lap dancing will be defined here," and the definition integrated into conduct standards.

The proposed guide defines lap dancing as an activity that occurs "when a club dancer is approached by or offers to dance for a soldier … typically of the opposite sex. This interaction between dancer and soldier is typically done at very close quarters."

The guide then imposes such strict rules for the practice that it effectively bans it, stating, "This type of behavior does not honor either individual involved. Since soldiers are soldiers 24/7, they are not at liberty to lower their professional bearing after hours."

It suggests lap dancing be treated as "client-focused exotic dancing" and that club owners "prohibit any physical contact between dancers and customers" and "ban the practice of customers placing money/bills in dancers' garments: g-strings, bras, garters or other apparel." The guide also would "require that private dances in remote areas of the club be directly visible" to military police inspecting a club.

The man who wrote the guide, 2nd ID assistant chief of staff Lt. Col. Chris Bailey, said he researched lap dancing laws in the United States and Britain before preparing the policy.

"We are following trends in the U.S.," Bailey said. "Lap dancing has taken on a new level of interest in the American media. It is outlawed in Los Angeles and Las Vegas."

He said lap dancing is associated with other undesirable activity such as human trafficking, which the proposed guide also includes measures to prevent. The 2nd ID also has imposed other rules and procedures in recent years after media reports that suggested the military was doing too little to prevent human trafficking in South Korea.

The new policy also states that clubs for South Korean augmentees to the U.S. military should "not tolerate prostitution or human trafficking."

Sgt. 1st Class Stuart Greer, of the 2nd ID's Headquarters and Headquarters Company, told soldiers gathered at Camp Red Cloud for New Horizon Day earlier this month that hundreds of thousands of women are human trafficking victims each year.

The crime often involves women duped into moving to a foreign country, then forced to become sex workers there. Greer said he learned about human trafficking after meeting his Philippine wife when she was working in a South Korean nightclub.

"When I was dating my wife, I found out her sister in Bahrain hadn't been paid in 10 months. She was working 16 hours a day, six days a week. Through many e-mails and telephone calls we took this guy to court and he had to pay her and return her to the Philippines," he said.

Southeast Asia is a major source of human trafficking, as is the former Soviet Union, Greer said.

"In 2002, news organizations connected trafficking with the military in South Korea," he said. They suggested that U.S. military "courtesy patrols" were guarding establishments that engaged in human trafficking and condoned prostitution. Indicators of trafficking include money exchanged between soldiers and club employees for unexplained reasons or employees that cannot leave clubs and have no access to their passports, he said.

Greer said he is certain prostitution still happens at some clubs in Area I.

"My wife came here as a dancer. She went to dance school. The club owner said, 'You can dance and make $500 a month or you can sit with the customers and if they buy you a drink you will make more.' But I have heard of other people in clubs that actually engage in prostitution.

"In the club she sat next to me and talked," he said. "The other clubs, they do lap dances."

The Good Commerce Practices Guide will be presented at a Jan. 30 dinner to be attended by Brig. Gen. John Shortal, 2nd ID assistant division commander for support, officials said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 2ndid; korea; lapdancing; military; militarybases; prostitution; southkorea; strip
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To: Modernman
My only point is, not every Republican is boring.

No, your point is that some Republicans are just like the Democrats represented by Bill Clinton. We already knew that. Some of them were senior leaders in Congress. They are no longer in Congress. One can only show leadership by example and policy, fight for the hearts and minds. If men are so corrupt that even a little light is darkness, well then really there is no hope for them.

141 posted on 01/29/2004 1:12:46 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
On the contrary they have the richest type of lives and influence many others by their leadership.

How is lust for power any better than lust for sex?

142 posted on 01/29/2004 1:13:11 PM PST by Modernman ("The details of my life are quite inconsequential...." - Dr. Evil)
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To: Modernman
I said consenting adults, remember?

The adults are consenting when they establish the rules. They buy and sell. They pass laws to lower the age of consent. They do what they want while those without a conscience queue up.

143 posted on 01/29/2004 1:14:16 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Modernman
How is lust for power any better than lust for sex?

Treat other women with the same honor, dignity, and respect you want the women in your own family to receive.

144 posted on 01/29/2004 1:16:24 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Modernman
These soldiers are just spreading American values. Think of it as a cultural exchange.

I will try harder.

145 posted on 01/29/2004 1:17:12 PM PST by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: af_vet_1981
"On the contrary they have the richest type of lives and influence many others by their leadership."


Yes, by trying to run our lives for us.
146 posted on 01/29/2004 1:19:08 PM PST by LN2Campy
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To: LN2Campy
Yes, by trying to run our lives for us.

Yes, can you imagine. They won't even let you smoke pot with your own kids.

147 posted on 01/29/2004 1:28:55 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
well, smoking reefer is not something that I endorse or care to do, but if that little wisecrack somehow makes you feel better, knock yourself out.

148 posted on 01/29/2004 1:31:48 PM PST by LN2Campy
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To: Feckless
I got there in March 89. Bravo Company, 532nd MI.
149 posted on 01/29/2004 1:33:24 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: chookter
roflmao
150 posted on 01/29/2004 1:34:00 PM PST by anka
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To: chookter; All
I talked with a Major, Captain, and 2 E-6s (all from the Kaiserslautern area). None has heard such a thing.

Dec 03 USAREUR Holiday Safety:

Personnel who plan to drink alcoholic beverages at holiday celebrations should do so in moderation and ensure that they have a safe means of getting home. Soldiers should keep in mind that a drunk-driving conviction can end their career.

Doesn't sound the Commanding General is prohibiting alcohol.

Also here is a USAREUR news release from December 03. it is perfectly legal to have things like coffee, liqueurs or cigars sent to your German home address via the German mail system or a commercial parcel service…

That’s not a direct contradiction, but it sure shows that folks can have liqueurs. I don’t that other alcohol is prohibited.

151 posted on 01/29/2004 1:45:33 PM PST by TankerKC (My life is a Country Song.)
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To: TankerKC
That's no the kind of commanders that I have had for the past 23 years.

I've had the opposite experience--seemed like a prayer group broke out at every formation Is this a policy over all military in all of Germany?

I believe it is strictly Army.

152 posted on 01/29/2004 2:49:19 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: Modernman
Have you ever looked into the etymology of "hooker"? Serious question.
153 posted on 01/29/2004 2:54:49 PM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: Modernman; Askel5
Sorry, meant that previous for Askel5.
154 posted on 01/29/2004 2:57:13 PM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: Travis McGee
>>Sgt. Ramona "Bull" Axlerod

I'm dyin' here! roflmao!!
155 posted on 01/29/2004 2:59:49 PM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: chookter
I have been asking around, and have heard nothing about this alchahol ban in Germany. I believe you need to start questioning the credibility of your source. This would be HUGH news, and would be broadcast everywhere. I am not sure how it is now, but when I was there, most folks weren't even living on base.
156 posted on 01/29/2004 3:33:03 PM PST by NeonKnight
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To: TankerKC; NeonKnight
Well, that's what I get with 2nd hand info...
157 posted on 01/29/2004 6:13:32 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: Modernman
You can go out and kill people; maim, burn, whatever... But things like strip clubs, fighting and drinking are BAD, and we'll throw you out of the service for such activity!

The military amazes me sometime.

158 posted on 01/29/2004 6:42:42 PM PST by Matthew James (SPEARHEAD!)
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To: Travis McGee
Meant to reply to you. See #158.
159 posted on 01/29/2004 6:44:17 PM PST by Matthew James (SPEARHEAD!)
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To: chookter
btw...I was proud of my AF service. I was in durring late Carter, early Reagan. The worst time to be in the Armed Forces. We were a bunch of HS drop outs. Many were there because prosecutors gave them a choice between that and jail. But we did miraculous things with the tools we had. We kept the Soviet army at bay, when everyone knew they were itching to invade W. Germany. To this day I believe that they could have made it to the Rhine, and left K-town and Rhein Maine in ruins. I was in a unit that was supposed to turn sections of the Autobahn into functional airbases. The Germans had great hiways for a reason.
160 posted on 01/29/2004 6:45:27 PM PST by NeonKnight
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