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Microsoft 'supports' Chinese internet crackdown
guardian.co.uk ^ | January 28, 2004 | Owen Gibson

Posted on 01/28/2004 3:19:25 PM PST by HAL9000

Human rights group Amnesty International has attacked Microsoft and other computer giants for selling technology which allows Chinese authorities to control and monitor the internet, leading to a huge rise in the number of people detained for using the web.

While the Chinese authorities allow access to the web, the regime continues to censor sites that promote dissident views.

According to today's report from Amnesty, 54 people are now detained or imprisoned in China for internet-related activities, a rise of 60% in just over a year.

The report hits out at companies such as Microsoft, the US software giant whose founder Bill Gates learned yesterday that he would receive an honorary knighthood for "services to enterprise", for facilitating the monitoring and control of websites.

"All those detained for expressing peaceful opinions online are prisoners of conscience and should be released immediately and unconditionally," said the director of Amnesty International UK, Kate Allen.

"We also urge companies which have provided technology which might support this kind of surveillance and harassment to use their influence with the Chinese authorities.

"They should ask the Chinese government to permit freedom of expression and to release all those detained for internet-related offences in violation of their fundamental human rights," she added.

Other western companies named in the report include Cisco Systems, Nortel Networks, Websense and Sun Microsystems. Amnesty said it was "concerned that by selling such technologies the companies did not give adequate consideration to the human rights implications of their investments".

Those imprisoned for internet-related offences have been accused of a variety of crimes including signing online petitions, calling for reform and an end to corruption, planning to set up a pro-democracy party, communicating with groups abroad and calling for a review of the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown on pro-democracy protestors.

Others have been imprisoned after being accused of spreading "rumours" about the severity of the Sars virus and protesting against the persecution of the Falun Gong spiritual movement.

For example, academic He Depu was prosecuted for "incitement to subvert state power" in October last year after publishing pro-democracy articles on the web and sent to prison for eight years.

Last year the Chinese authorities hit the headlines when they blocked access to search engine Google in a media clampdown ahead of the watershed 16th Party Congress, when President Jiang Zemin handed power to a new generation of leaders

Access to Google was blocked for two weeks when a link on the site was discovered to lead to a game called 'Slap the evil dictator Jiang Zemin'. Access was later restored, but with certain links blocked.

The BBC, which has had its site blocked in China for some time, drew attention to the growing problem last year when it disclosed that its World Service site in Vietnam had also been censored by the authorities.

China has the fastest growing internet community in the world, presenting the authorities with an ever growing problem in trying to control its expansion. According to official statistics there were 79.5 million internet users in China by December 2003, a rise of 34.5% in the past year.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: amnestyinternational; china; communism; globalism; internet; microsoft; msn; oppression; redchina; surveillance
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1 posted on 01/28/2004 3:19:25 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
Disgusting.
2 posted on 01/28/2004 3:23:12 PM PST by George from New England
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To: HAL9000
Human rights group Amnesty International has attacked Microsoft and other computer giants for selling technology which allows Chinese authorities to control and monitor the internet, leading to a huge rise in the number of people detained for using the web.

Question:
In what year did Bill give in to the dark side?

Answer:
No one knows because the records were kept on a windows computer that crashed and all the data was lost.

3 posted on 01/28/2004 3:26:01 PM PST by Dataman
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To: Golden Eagle; Bush2000
Defend.
4 posted on 01/28/2004 3:27:03 PM PST by Salo (You have the right to free speech - as long as you are not dumb enough to actually try it.)
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To: Salo
ROFL

This is just too rich.

5 posted on 01/28/2004 3:28:31 PM PST by B Knotts (Go 'Nucks!)
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To: HAL9000
"Access to Google was blocked for two weeks when a link on the site was discovered to lead to a game called 'Slap the evil dictator Jiang Zemin'. "

Ha! Remember the "Slap Hillary' game? Wonder if this is related?

6 posted on 01/28/2004 3:34:58 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: Nick Danger
Looky here.
7 posted on 01/28/2004 3:35:40 PM PST by B Knotts (Go 'Nucks!)
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To: Salo; Golden Eagle; Bush2000
Gee, tonight they're just too busy. Total coincidence, of course.
8 posted on 01/28/2004 3:40:05 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: HAL9000
The BBC, which has had its site blocked in China for some time, drew attention to the growing problem

The BBC has been doing a great job of drawing attention to it's problems lately. It's interesting how the point to point network can manage to get around Gates and his governments, and the BBC can't.

9 posted on 01/28/2004 3:43:06 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: BenLurkin
Press here if you wanna play:'Slap the evil dictator Jiang Zemin'.

Need Shockwave to play.

10 posted on 01/28/2004 3:50:31 PM PST by demlosers (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com">Miserable Failure</a>)
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To: HAL9000
So...

Did Darth Gates write the software so that China could lock up political prisoners, or was it written for business purposes?

IOW, what was the intended use for the software?

11 posted on 01/28/2004 3:54:46 PM PST by moonhawk (Like most of the Right Wing, I "just don't get it". Apparently, it's not contagious.)
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To: John Robinson; B Knotts; stainlessbanner; TechJunkYard; ShadowAce; Knitebane; AppyPappy; jae471; ...
The Penguin Ping.

Wanna be Penguified? Just holla!

Got root?

12 posted on 01/28/2004 3:55:09 PM PST by rdb3 (If Jesse Jack$on and I meet, face to face, it's gonna be a misunderstanding...)
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To: HAL9000
It's not surprising that Microsoft would sells tools to China's communist government in order to oppress their citizens.

Microsoft also sold server software to the Taliban in violation of U.S. law. (August 26, 2001 - Afghan Taliban website hacked as Internet outlawed)

Bill Gates would sell his mother to make a buck.

13 posted on 01/28/2004 3:58:32 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: BenLurkin
The results after I played the game:
JIANG BANG!

365 is an excellent score. Jiang cancels his world tour.

An estimated 1.2 million Tibetans have died as a result of the Chines occupation of theeir country.

The Chinese government hold more political prisoners and carries out more executions that any other government in the world.

The world's youngest known political prisoner, the Tibetan Panchen Lama, is being held in Beijing. He is just 10 years old.

14 posted on 01/28/2004 4:05:12 PM PST by demlosers (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com">Miserable Failure</a>)
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To: George from New England
Capitalism at it's worst!
15 posted on 01/28/2004 4:07:35 PM PST by Dr. Marten (Treason...How can such a small word mean so little to so many?)
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To: HAL9000
Doing the Henry Ford Despot Bootlicker shuffle bump.....
16 posted on 01/28/2004 4:14:17 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: rdb3
Sadly, HP, IBM and Sun are all facilitating the PRC government's push to coopt Linux and are heavily promoting Communist Red Flag Linux over Red Hat and SuSE...... that way, when the virus developers in the PLA launch their massive attack on the West, geared exclusively toward Windows, Solaris, and everything they have taken out of their own software stacks, they'll simply sit back and chuckle.
17 posted on 01/28/2004 4:17:26 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: HAL9000
An alarming report, but most stories on foreign websites are built with shock appeal as their #1 priority, and anti-Americanism is rampant.

However these are interesting charges. Supposedly Microsoft and Sun are building monitoring systems for the Chinese government used to detain possible criminals. If so, that practice should be stopped. In my opinion, all tech exports to China should have been log ago curtailed, especially anything that directly helps their government, which is essentially everything is it not.

More likely is the PRC bought some systems and software from Microsoft and Sun and set most of it up themselves. I haven't heard of any particular design/install/support contracts like this with China by Microsoft or Sun and this article doesn't have proof of any either.

Another interesting note, apparently only 54 persons if I read correctly had been detained, if only that out of a billion people (not all of which have computers of course) that would not be anywhere near a predominant method that China uses to enforce it's brutality. Again the article only speaks definitively of sales and tech sales to China is something I'm generally against, especially to their government which by being communist has ample ability to float resources of any kind around their empire.
18 posted on 01/28/2004 4:58:12 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: HAL9000
Microsoft also sold server software to the Taliban in violation of U.S. law. (August 26, 2001 - Afghan Taliban website hacked as Internet outlawed)

Interesting accusation, but do you have any substantiation at all? Your link doesn't provide any, or did I miss it even after reading it three times. I did see where the site was hosted on Microsoft IIS web server software, but where did it say "Microsoft also sold server software to the Taliban in violation of U.S. law" as you claimed in your post? If I'm somehow misunderstanding, my apologies.

19 posted on 01/28/2004 5:02:49 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: belmont_mark
Sadly, HP, IBM and Sun are all facilitating the PRC government's push to coopt Linux and are heavily promoting Communist Red Flag Linux over Red Hat and SuSE...... that way, when the virus developers in the PLA launch their massive attack on the West, geared exclusively toward Windows, Solaris, and everything they have taken out of their own software stacks, they'll simply sit back and chuckle.

That is no doubt their plan and the seperation of standards is certainly inevitable, we are already seeing it now with operating systems and hardware specs. However I see the Chinese still as significantly behind Western specifically US technology and capability and Americans far better prepared to defend ourselves from any sort of virtual attack they might perpetuate.

We already see attacks regularly, just like the MyDoom virus that is already mutating in form, yes it has affected a lot of people but none of the real important ones. They (we) are winning these wars faster and faster each time.

20 posted on 01/28/2004 5:18:38 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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