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KAY Report to Congress on C-SPAN - LIVE THREAD
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Posted on 01/28/2004 8:05:20 AM PST by Frank_Discussion

I don't have C-SPAN, but I know somebody in FReeperland does. Keep us informed. Thanks!


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cspan; davidkay; wmd; wmdeadenders
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To: OXENinFLA; Howlin
Thanks for the ping! Hopefully I'll catch the replay of this on either CSPAN 1 or 2 during their "primetime public affairs" block of programming this evening. Had a million things to do today and didn't have the TV or internet on. Ah well, priorities, priorities. :( LOL
701 posted on 01/28/2004 3:26:40 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
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To: cyncooper; Howlin
Hey guys; Just got these in an e-mail today. Nice write up of some quotes with dates from the LEFT! Enjoy!

FRegards, VH&W

 "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
   develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
   That is our bottom line."
  - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

   "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
   We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
   destruction program."
   
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

   "Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal
   here.  For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear,
   chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest
   security threat we face."
   -
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

   "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times
   since 1983."
   -
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

   "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.
   Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate,
   air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to
   the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
   programs."
   -
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,
  Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998


   "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
   destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he
   has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
   -
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

   "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
   destruction and palaces for his cronies."
   -
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

   "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
   programs.  Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
   continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status.  In addition, Saddam
   continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a
   licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten
   the United States and our allies."
   
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,)
   and others, December 5, 2001

   "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
   threat to the peace and stability of the region.  He has ignored the
   mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction
   and the means of delivering them."
  
 - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

   "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
   weapons throughout his country."
  - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

   "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to
   deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in
   power."
 - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

   "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing
   weapons of mass destruction."
  
 - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

   "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998.  We are
   confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
   biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
   build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.  Intelligence
   reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
   -
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

   "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
   to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe
   that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real
   and grave threat to our security."
   -
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

   "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively
   to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the
   next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated
   the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
   -
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

   "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every
   significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
   chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity.  This he has
   refused to do"  Rep.
  
 - Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

   "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that
   Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons
   stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.  He has
   also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members
   .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will
   continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare,
   and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
  - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

   "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam
   Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for
   the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
 - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

   "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein.  He is a brutal,
   murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
   particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
   miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
   continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
   ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real
   ..."
  
 - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

702 posted on 01/28/2004 3:34:33 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Howlin
I read through the thread at the office. Do you know if they're replaying it on C-Span?

Fascinating.
703 posted on 01/28/2004 3:55:35 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia
KAY INTERVIEW REPLAY ON CSPAN AT 8PM EASTERN
704 posted on 01/28/2004 4:21:15 PM PST by StriperSniper (Mine the borders)
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To: Howlin
Darn. I missed it. Guess I'll have to watch the replay tonight.
705 posted on 01/28/2004 4:27:54 PM PST by arasina ("...but both sides know who the real enemy is, and, my friends, it is JohnGalt")
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To: Frank_Discussion
why did David Kay include this...

"I told Sen. [John] Warner [chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee] earlier that I've been drawn back as a result of recent film of reminding me of something. At the time of the Cuban missile crisis, the combined estimate was unanimity in the intelligence service that there were no Soviet warheads in Cuba at the time of the missile crisis.

Fortunately, President Kennedy and [then-Attorney General] Robert Kennedy disagreed with the estimate and chose a course of action less ambitious and aggressive than recommended by their advisers.

But the most important thing about that story, which is not often told, is that as a result after the Cuban missile crisis, immediate steps were taken to correct our inability to collect on the movement of nuclear material out of the Soviet Union to other places."
706 posted on 01/28/2004 4:29:24 PM PST by visitor (dems make it difficult to speak the TRUTH)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
8 PM.
707 posted on 01/28/2004 4:36:35 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
They say Kennedy and Clinton are going after him!

Eeeewwwww - the really gross version of the Kennedy sandwich.

Did they get him?

708 posted on 01/28/2004 4:47:39 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Robert DeLong
From Kay's testimony:

Let me begin by saying, we were almost all wrong, and I certainly include myself here.

Sen. [Edward] Kennedy knows very directly. Senator Kennedy and I talked on several occasions prior to the war that my view was that the best evidence that I had seen was that Iraq indeed had weapons of mass destruction.

I would also point out that many governments that chose not to support this war -- certainly, the French president, [Jacques] Chirac, as I recall in April of last year, referred to Iraq's possession of WMD.

The Germans certainly -- the intelligence service believed that there were WMD.

It turns out that we were all wrong, probably in my judgment, and that is most disturbing.
709 posted on 01/28/2004 5:12:22 PM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: StriperSniper
Thanks!
710 posted on 01/28/2004 5:14:38 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Huck
Oh, I see. Now it's "almost all" and "probably". Frankly I think this is going to be another rope-a-dope by President Bush. He loves to see the idiots make fools of themselves, and they always do. WMD will be found and so will Osama. "Probably" about August.
711 posted on 01/28/2004 5:51:05 PM PST by WVNan
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To: WVNan
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712 posted on 01/28/2004 5:53:19 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Not to say that these quotes seem perfectly plausible, but how can you verify an emailed collection like that?
713 posted on 01/28/2004 6:17:22 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear
Not to say that these quotes seem perfectly plausible...

OOPS, I meant to say the quotes are plausible.

714 posted on 01/28/2004 6:19:14 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: WOSG
Any hyperbole over the size of the impact of Clinton tax hikes doesnt negate that the economic impact was in fact negative, and the fiscal impact (as measure by estimated deficits) was in fact not helpful in reducing the deficit by much.

There is an excellent chapter on this in Rich Lowry's book Legacy: Paying the Price for the Clinton Years .

715 posted on 01/28/2004 7:08:09 PM PST by Mr. Buzzcut
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To: Frank_Discussion

716 posted on 01/28/2004 7:11:16 PM PST by OESY
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To: visitor; Alamo-Girl; Dog; Poohbah; Nita Nupress
Your# 706...........'magic'......?

why did David Kay include this... "I told Sen. [John] Warner [chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee] earlier that I've been drawn back as a result of recent film of reminding me of something. At the time of the Cuban missile crisis, the combined estimate was unanimity in the intelligence service that there were no Soviet warheads in Cuba at the time of the missile crisis. Fortunately, President Kennedy and [then-Attorney General] Robert Kennedy disagreed with the estimate and chose a course of action less ambitious and aggressive than recommended by their advisers. But the most important thing about that story, which is not often told, is that as a result after the Cuban missile crisis, immediate steps were taken to correct our inability to collect on the movement of nuclear material out of the Soviet Union to other places."

Does anyone 'know' what happened to those 3 'SH-Mystery Ships' that left SH-Iraq?

Did 'Kay' ever comment on this?

:-(

717 posted on 01/28/2004 7:18:34 PM PST by maestro
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To: Huck
So, the U.N. (France, German, Anglosphere) was wrong to have sanctions in recent years? Or Saddam's scientists had him 'fooled' into thinking they were making WMD when they didn't, including delaying and shuffling tactics when inspectors showed up?

You know, it's a real crazy quilt. None of it is rational.

We really can't believe all these parties. Somewhere in all this, a really big lie from someone (we don't know who) is sitting, waiting to be found.

Or the WMD are in Syria or buried in the desert. Even that doesn't really add up though.

Well, I'm not sure it matters for the '04 election. People just don't care about it now. Longterm diplomacy will be affected but the diplomats all seem far more confused than usual too.

You'd think we could get a straight answer a little easier than this.
719 posted on 01/28/2004 7:19:15 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: urworstnm
Have you seen the movie, 'Paycheck' yet?

:-)

720 posted on 01/28/2004 7:22:05 PM PST by maestro
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