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"I remember an Urban League report from more than a decade ago in which social scientists determined that things that were done to U.S. slaves -- the forbidding of education or accumulation of wealth, the forced destruction of families, for instance -- could be eased only by some kind of redistribution of wealth."

This hasn't worked so many times before that I guess it's only fair that we try it again.
1 posted on 01/28/2004 4:41:52 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief; NYC GOP Chick; hellinahandcart; mhking; Trueblackman
"African Americans as a group still have far more than their share of societal problems in this country."

Self inflicted.

The tone of the article is noxious. This idiot insists on seeing everything through some kind of super-duper melanin filter.

2 posted on 01/28/2004 4:46:50 AM PST by sauropod (What happens at CPAC stays at CPAC)
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To: Chi-townChief
The wounds such a gift might heal could benefit all citizens in ways inconceivable.

Parasites like this sicken me. I swear, if the government, by some small miracle, starts handing out reparation checks I will quit paying taxes. I'll sell everything I own to my teenage son and they can come get me.

3 posted on 01/28/2004 4:48:36 AM PST by Pern ("It's good to know who hates you, and it's good to be hated by the right people." Johnny Cash, RIP)
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To: Chi-townChief
What about all the Americans who died to end slavery? Do their decendants get money, too?
4 posted on 01/28/2004 4:48:46 AM PST by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: Chi-townChief
"Those black players for the New England Patriots and Carolina Panthers might be rich, famous and gifted."

" But they are the few. And the others are many. "

How about those wealthy black players giving their wealth to those poor black ex-slaves?

That should make everyone happy.



I know I feel better already

5 posted on 01/28/2004 4:50:15 AM PST by G.Mason ("The secret to success is knowing who to blame for your failures" - Old Democrat saying)
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To: Chi-townChief
"I bring this up because colorblindness -- extolled by knee-jerk do-gooders and status-quo lovers alike as the way to guarantee equality -- does not work when it comes to real-world solutions to old and intractable problems."

As Walter Williams would say, get an education and stay married.

6 posted on 01/28/2004 4:50:17 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Chi-townChief
the repayment of wealth to slave ancestors is the right thing to do. And it could set many things right.

Strange statement by the author.

7 posted on 01/28/2004 4:57:54 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Chi-townChief
In the late Civil War 600,000+ DIED. The slaves were freed at the end of the war.

There are the reparations. Paid in full over 100 years ago.

8 posted on 01/28/2004 4:58:23 AM PST by LibKill (My sigil: Two crossed, dead, Frenchmen emblazoned on a mound of dead Frenchmen.)
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To: Chi-townChief
A friend of mine emailed me this some time ago. I've posted it several times because it profiles the central flaw in the reparations movement.


While travelling to work the other day, I happened to catch Michael Medved's talk show with some woman who is the head of one those groups demanding reparation for Africans in America due to slavery. Of course I'd heard of this before and had already decided it was ok by me as long as it was done fairly. Here's what I would consider a fair system of reparation to descendents of slaves:

First & foremost, reparation must include repatriation. Any African who doesn't want to be repatriated is admitting that they're better off in the US than they would have been had they been left in Africa. If having their ancestors brought here in slavery has made them better off than they would have been otherwise, then what claim do they have to reparation? Of course any repatriation would have to be permanent. Those being repatriated would have to give up their US citizenship.

Second, reparation dollar amounts must be based on the African enonomy not the US economy. If we have damaged some Africans by removing them from Africa, then obviously the amount of reparation we owe them would have to based on what they could be expected to earn in Africa not the US. If there income expectancy is higher in the US, then where is the economic damage? I have developed the following formula and taken wild guesses at the variables.

A 30 year old African decides he wants his reparation and he would like to be repatriated to Kenya. Ok, we find out the life expectancy in Kenya is 50 years. We also find out the average annual income in Kenya is $2,000. So we subtract his age from 50 and find out he has 20 years to live in Kenya. We multiple 20 times $2,000 and his reparation amount is $40,000. Plus we would give him free transportation to Kenya.

Since we have given him Kenya's average annual income for the rest of his life, he should be able to move to Kenya and live the rest of his life without ever having to work again. What more could a reasonable man ask?

It seems totally reasonable to me to base all of this on African life expectancies and African income levels because had we not enslaved their ancestors, then that is what they would have been born into. That is what they would have to look forward to. With the above two rules, I totally support reparation for Africans in America.




11 posted on 01/28/2004 5:23:54 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Chi-townChief
In truth, U.S. schools are failing blacks at a painfully sad rate: According to the Manhattan Institute, a New York-based think tank, only 20 percent of black high school students in the class of 2001 were college-ready.

The way this is worded implies that it's somehow the school's fault. Perhaps it should be stated, "Blacks are failing in U.S. schools at a painfully sad rate". Maybe if the parents of these students worried more about seeing the kids educated, and the kids weren't so hell bent on immitating every hip-hop "artist" that shows up on MTV things would be different.

And thus we have the essence of wild irony: Young black males -- that same 20-34 age group -- dominate the sporting heights and the societal depths in America.

And therein lies part of the problem. Black males seem to think that they're all the next Michael Jorden, when in reality only a handful ever make it to that level. It's like having your lifetime career goal be based on winning the lottery, if it happens you're set but for 99.99% it won't happen, then what do you do.

13 posted on 01/28/2004 5:41:20 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: Chi-townChief
The African Americans seem to choose to remain in the victim class rather than work for their own place in Society.
They monopolize the Sports to the exclusion of Whites and the reason is they are better at sports.
When they decide to really educate their kids and raise them with strong wholesome backgrounds they will offer the same to the business community that their counterparts offer to the sports world.
The time to rescue their children from educational bondage is way past and they must demand more and better education from the Government. Our govt. doesn't help the inner city poor by pandering to the Education Lobby and screwing the little kids.
14 posted on 01/28/2004 5:42:25 AM PST by chatham
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"In truth, U.S. schools are failing blacks at a painfully sad rate:"

It's the same old story, schools don't cause student failures, student's do. People are always looking to pass the buck. If a poor (not necessarily in the monetary sense for any DUers who can't tell the difference) student tries, they will pass, if they don't, they'll fail.

15 posted on 01/28/2004 5:56:21 AM PST by AntiKev (I've learned to stop worrying and love the bomb. Why can't THEY?)
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To: Chi-townChief
Sports has been the one of the roads open to Blacks to escape poverty. There are many other roads also available to Blacks, but they do not make serious effort to participate effectively. The fault lies not with the individual Black, but within their culture (bondage for centuries, in both Africa and America), their leadership and Democrat Party. These forces, combined, have kept Blacks in their place as second level Americans. These forces use racism to prevent Blacks from fully assimilating into American Society. My point is, that at one time Italians and Irishmen, etc. were openly referred to as Italian-American/Irish-American. They are no longer, they are just plain Americans. That is where Blacks need to go. The Democrat party which controls education in the big urban cities has not, nor will it ever provide the educational tools required for Balcks to move forward into a diverse society. They and current Black leaders want to maintain the status quo for control and voting purposes. Until this changes, and only individual Blacks can change it, I can assure you that the majority of black folks will remain at the bottom of the economic totem pole and wrapped in the chains of economic slavery forged by their leaders and the Democrat party. It is refreshing to a small degree that some Blacks are beginning to awaken to the "real" world around them. Hispanics and Asians, as other minorities, have seen the light, and are zooming past a stagnant immobile Black society into the broader American society!
20 posted on 01/28/2004 6:29:47 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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So now am I supposed to feel bad because athletes are well-paid?

Feh...

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21 posted on 01/28/2004 6:30:26 AM PST by mhking
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To: Chi-townChief
The idea that somehow people who were never slaves are owed money by people who were never slave owners because SOMEBODY in their background from 135 to 300 years ago MIGHT have been a slave is utterly ridiculous.

I guess that the fact that ALMOST HALF of the people on welfare are black and get TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in FREE GIFTS from the public treasury, sometimes for their entire lives, means nothing.
25 posted on 01/28/2004 6:52:29 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Chi-townChief
And yet the irony is that even as young African-American males dominate many of our highest-profile, highest-paying TV sports ... African Americans as a group still have far more than their share of societal problems in this country.

A study conducted last fall by Northeastern University for the Chicago Alternative Schools Network shows half the black men between the ages of 20 and 24 in our city are jobless and not in school.

In truth, U.S. schools are failing blacks at a painfully sad rate...

Ironic? No, the irony is that there are so many that decry the "inequity" as externally driven without acknowledging the fact that so many in black culture laud sports and sports stars while distaining academic achievement as "Uncle Tom".

Does racism exist? Unfortunately, yes. But there are means to deal with it legally. It’s not fun, by any means, but it is possible. But how does one fight the “downhill mainstreaming” of one’s own culture? And even worse, what does anyone do about the rising level of discrimination that is based on an accurate general assessment of black culture? If it is “hip” and “cool” to be a gangsta and thug, why should one be surprised if an employer doesn’t want such employees?

26 posted on 01/28/2004 7:12:49 AM PST by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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Whether it comes from corporations, the U.S. government or the wallets of all of us in this nation who unwittingly and innocently have profitted by the labor of those who were forced into degradation and deprived of the fruits of their labor, the repayment of wealth to slave ancestors is the right thing to do. And it could set many things right.

(shaking head)

27 posted on 01/28/2004 7:43:40 AM PST by EveningStar
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To: Chi-townChief
someone tell this bozo to do a web search on Acting White or call a couple of hip hop producers and ask them if they promote good grades or school attendance. Then when he has the answers to that societal problem write a new story.
29 posted on 01/28/2004 8:41:57 AM PST by q_an_a
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