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MOST TERRIFYING GUN IN THE WORLD SEIZED
The Daily Mirror (UK) ^ | Jan 26 2004 | Gary Jones

Posted on 01/27/2004 3:19:00 PM PST by FreedomCalls

THE first fully automatic handgun to surface in the UK - capable of firing 1,100 rounds a minute - has been seized in a police raid.

It is a Glock 18, banned from sale in the US and described as a "monster of a weapon" that fires bullets with the intensity of a high- pressure water hose.

The ultra-light, Austrian-made gun was discovered in a swoop on the home of a suspected Yardie gangster. Scotland Yard has issued a nationwide alert as they try to find the owner and establish how the weapon got into Britain.

A Met firearms expert said: "It's extremely worrying that such a weapon is here. I can't stress enough just how dangerous this gun is.

"If it was fired on the streets of London by someone unused to its immense firing capability, there could be a massacre.

"Why even a criminal would want to own such a gun is beyond me. It would probably bethe ultimate in gun status-symbols." The Yard has warned front-line officers about the discovery, which followed a a raid on a residential address in Norwood, South East London.

A force internal report said: "This is the first weapon of its kind to be seized in the UK. It is not issued to any agencies in the UK and is believed to have been imported from the US."

The report said the Glock can fire "armour-piercing ammunition". It has a compensation device to keep it straight during firing.

SAS officers use the gun in combat with a 19-round magazine. Israeli security forces and Germany's GSG-9 anti-terror unit also carry it.

British armed police use the semi-automatic Glock 17, also a favourite with criminals.

America banned its import in 1986. US arms expert Walt Rauch said: "Shooting the G18 full-auto is just like turning on a high-pressure hose,"

Det Insp Martin Ward said: "This is something of a monster of a weapon. We are appealing for anyone to come forward in the strictest confidence with information."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; bang; banglist; britain; england; glock; glock18; guncontrol; gungrabbers; israel; liberals; mediabias; mythicalweapon; uk
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To: cripplecreek
But but but America has guns... (although the article mentions that their import to the US has been banned since 1986). Israel uses them! The UK police don't even have them (but they do have the semi-automatic variety).

Yes this article has hystronics that point the finger of blame here and there but it is more of a scare piece.

181 posted on 01/28/2004 10:53:25 AM PST by weegee
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To: MarkL
FWIW, I was trying to see what the shipping weight of 1000 rounds of 9mm would weigh... My Internet connection is too flakey. But I'm sure that it's more than 50 pounds... Heck, with 124 gr bullets, just the bullets themselves would weigh about 31 pounds. And that's without the cases, primers and powder.

A thousand rounds of my preferred 115-grain Lapua 9mm ball ammo weighs in at 28 pounds, plus the weight of the carton or ammo can it's shipped in.

-archy-/-

182 posted on 01/28/2004 11:11:41 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: FreedomCalls
The Glock 18 is banned in America from import, manufacture, possession or anything else. You simply cannot obtain one legally here.

I suspect that you're incorrect there. While it is an NFA weapon and banned from import, there probably were some who made it in before the assault weapons ban, and which were/are legally transferable to individuals with Class III FFLs.

Or am I mistaken?

183 posted on 01/28/2004 11:15:30 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: evets
God help us all.

You'll be happy to know, no doubt, that S&W displayed a short-barrelled concealment version on their new Model 500 .500 S&W Magnum revolver at the last SHOT show. But it's still *just* a 5-shooter....


184 posted on 01/28/2004 11:18:13 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Oberon
Or am I mistaken?

You are not mistaken. There are some in these here United States, and if you are lucky they'll even let you shoot it.

185 posted on 01/28/2004 11:20:48 AM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Archangelsk
Soooo, you think it's absolutely okey dokey that a woman with not one shred of discernable talent and who has never added a single iota of value to the human endeavor, except for making really bad home videos, should inherit $300,000,000?

If the owner of the 300 mil willed it to her, then hell yes, the will should be carried out. If you think it's best that when individuals no longer have any use for their money it should accrue back to the state, then you're a statist and have no business here... wait.

Never mind. This is precisely the web forum for you.

186 posted on 01/28/2004 11:22:25 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Redbob
Actually, it would empty its' magazine in less than 1.04 seconds; this has got to be the ultimate accessory for the "spray 'n' pray" crowd!

Actually, I can tap off four-shot bursts with pretty consistant results; very acceptable and controllable out to around 25 meters, though not my first choice for such uses. But there's nothing about the gun that requires a complete magazine dump, and the 33-round magazine is a much more appropriate feed device for such sport.

Actually, the *ultinate accessory for the spray and pray* crowd is probably a M1932 Mauser Broomhandle in 7,63mm, also selective fire. The last time I was in Beirut I had one offered to me for my use, just as familiar with the semiauto C96 Mauser *broomhandle* pistol I carry here in Memphis, but with 10,20 and 50-round magazines that went with it. They're handy if a carload of attackers pulls up alongside and haven't gotten their usual Kalishnikovs clear out of their vehicle yet.

187 posted on 01/28/2004 11:28:52 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: FreedomCalls
Personally I think that the most terrifying guns are those pointed at you and those being handled by an idiot who doesn't know proper gun safety.
188 posted on 01/28/2004 11:31:02 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Eagle Scout class of 1992.)
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To: blackdog
"To me the most dangerous gun in the world is any weapon handled by Lon Horriuchi"

"We're having pancakes for breakfast, Mrs. Weaver. What are you feeding your children for breakfast this morning, Mrs. Weaver?"

Rot-in-hell BUMP

189 posted on 01/28/2004 11:51:03 AM PST by bc2 (http://thinkforyourself.us)
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To: FreedomCalls
"If it was fired on the streets of London by someone unused to its immense firing capability, there could be a massacre."

As if it would fire all 1,100 rounds without needed to be reloaded!

190 posted on 01/28/2004 11:54:41 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: FreedomCalls
I know some honestly defenseless women who would benefit from the ownership, and training in use thereof, of said supposedly terrifying gun.
191 posted on 01/28/2004 12:06:29 PM PST by Darksheare (Responsible for killing more threads than anyone else. Considered armed & weird. Use caution.)
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To: archy
Okay, let me clarify, I have not heard any HANDGUN as loud as the .357 sig! I myself have fired several dozen live 105mm APFSDS rounds from the original M1 Abrahms tank I trained on for my transition from infantry to armor branch back in the early 1990's. I felt like I'd been struck in the side of the head with a baseball bat and it was the second best sensation I've ever felt in my life.

ON THE WAAAAY

Target, cease fire.

192 posted on 01/28/2004 12:35:47 PM PST by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: Yo-Yo
Mine fires Depleted Uranium rounds.

Yeah, but if mine misses, I can outrun you, turn around and shoot you again.

193 posted on 01/28/2004 1:06:39 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: FreedomCalls
I thought Bill Clinton's appendage was the most terrifying gun in the world.
194 posted on 01/28/2004 1:17:54 PM PST by RichInOC ("This is my rifle, this is my gun...THIS IS FOR FIGHTING, THIS IS FOR FUN...")
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To: Yo-Yo
Mine fires Depleted Uranium rounds.

If you ask her nicely, my girlfriend will keep your PavePenny laser sighting equipment working so you can do a whole lot more than just that.


195 posted on 01/28/2004 2:02:39 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: ElkGroveDan
"I'm wondering if the gun tried to flee during the raid. Didi the gun swear at the cops and spit on them?"

I don't see why not.
SUVs do that kinda stuff, and *worse*.

...all the time. {g}

196 posted on 01/28/2004 2:05:47 PM PST by Landru (Tagline Schmagline...)
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To: RichInOC
I thought Bill Clinton's appendage was the most terrifying gun in the world.

As with any weapon, the operator has to know what he's doing with it. According to press accounts, Mr. Clinton is more from the *spray and pray* school of thought, unable to concentrate on a single target.

Ever notice how much his daughter resembles Webb Hubble?

197 posted on 01/28/2004 2:06:38 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Oberon
I suspect that you're incorrect there. While it is an NFA weapon and banned from import, there probably were some who made it in before the assault weapons ban, and which were/are legally transferable to individuals with Class III FFLs.

Or am I mistaken?

You're *sort of* mistaken. It's unlikely that there are any examples in this country that arrived before the McClure-Volkmer *Firearm Owners Protection Act* the NRA-backed legislation that contained a ban on the possession and transfer of new machineguns by civilians, signed into law by President Reagan on May 19, 1986.

But there ARE exceptions; for those who make MG sales and as *dealer demonstrators* to police, for MG manufacturers, and for certain theatrical and stage weapons portrayals- Hollywood's heroes have to have their leadspreaders.

And it's also reasonably simple to convert the Glock series to full-auto with some internal modification, and quite legal, in some other nations freer than the USA.

198 posted on 01/28/2004 2:19:03 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Oberon; Archangelsk; SauronOfMordor; Gunslingr3
Soooo, you think it's absolutely okey dokey that a woman with not one shred of discernable talent and who has never added a single iota of value to the human endeavor, except for making really bad home videos, should inherit $300,000,000?

No, of course not. She should be required to show that she can dribble a basketball, first. Then she'd clearly be worth $300 mill.

199 posted on 01/28/2004 2:38:04 PM PST by brbethke
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The odds of one leaving the U.S. is very high.

You mean, very low.

Yes, you are correct. I meant very, very low. I would believe that it probably came from somewhere in Europe before I would consider that it came from the U.S.

200 posted on 01/28/2004 3:09:39 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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