New European Studies Show Homosexual Marriage Harms Marriage in General

Culture of Life Foundation ^ | 1/27/04 | Culture of Life Foundation

[Barnacle]

Liberals are not tolerated on Free Republic. Why a homosexual advocate is allowed on this Conservative site is beyond me.

[tdadams]

So now you'd like to undermine my credibility by implying that I have a vested interest?

I'm not black, but I oppose racial discrimination. I'm not a drug user, but I oppose the war on drugs.

See a pattern here?

[tdadams]

And now you're calling for me to be silenced because I challenge you and disagree with your viewpoint? Nice little fascist aren't you?

[Barnacle]

Just how tolerant are you of people who wish to have sex with animals?

[tdadams]

When (and if) you're capable of a question that's not inflammatory and ridiculous, I'll consider a reasoned response.

[Barnacle]

Blaming gays for the problems of the Catholic church? Please, that's laughable. The Catholic church is it's own worst enemy. It had a problem in it's ranks for decades that it did nothing about... no let me correct that, which it facilitated.

If you removed the sex abuse problems committed by homosexuals, what problems would the Catholic Church be left with?

[Barnacle]

You're asking Freepers to be tolerant of a practice we consider abhorant. Why don't you just answer the question?

[The Iguana]

The more you look at the numbers, however, the harder it is to come up with any idea that gay marriage has strengthened marriage in Scandinavia.

The Spedale report of a 10% increase in marriage (from 1990 to 1996) was not true, since the 2001 numbers (for Denmark and Sweden) showed a *decline* since 1990. Meanwhile, whatever is happening with the divorce rate, many are no longer holding off until the children are grown.

But it is interesting that gay marriage has made its greatest strides precisely where the institution is in direst straits. In essence the fight, such as it is, is over a corpse.

When the link between marriage and procreation is severed or even weakened, both suffer.

[tdadams]

Was the Catholic Church not complicit in covering up the crime? Transferring the offending priests to one new diocese after another, in effect handing them a whole new crop of children to molest?

[Barnacle]

You wouldn't be here if it was up to me. That's for sure. I consider your agenda as dangerous to the future of America as any Bolshevic.

[rdb3]

The great falling away...

[tdadams]

First of all, you don't speak for all Freepers, and there are plenty that agree with me. After all, part of being a conservative means abiding by our written Constitution, and part of that calls for "Equal justice under the law", which precludes denigrating a persecuting a certain group of people and denying them the same right to live a self-directed life that the rest of us enjoy and take for granted.

Secondly, I have answered the question, numerous times, when others just as acerbic as you asked previously. Alternatively, you can read my profile.

[Barnacle]

Was the Catholic Church not complicit in covering up the crime? Transferring the offending priests to one new diocese after another, in effect handing them a whole new crop of children to molest?

Yes, homosexuals covering for homosexuals. Do you see why I want them out of my church?

They'vs infiltrated so deep now that some seminaries are known as "Pink Palaces" where the applicant interviewers screen out applicants who don't swing their way.

This infiltration cast a horrible shadow over every good priest and every Catholic.

I want them out of my Church!

[tdadams]

Cardinal Bernard Law is a homosexual? I didn't realize that. Or perhaps you're not being entirely truthful about the situation.

[Antoninus]

Mega "duh" alert.

[The Iguana]

The other interesting aspect of this is the fact that there is no stampede toward marriage by Scandinavian gays:

Noteworthy, too, is the lack of a movement toward marriage and monogamy among gays. Take-up rates on gay marriage are exceedingly small. Yale's William Eskridge acknowledged this when he reported in 2000 that 2,372 couples had registered after nine years of the Danish law, 674 after four years of the Norwegian law, and 749 after four years of the Swedish law.

Granted that these countries have much smaller populations - but even so these are miniscule numbers, especially if we accept the compositional percentage of the gross population by gays of 10%. To take the case of Sweden it's less than 1% of 1% of the population.

But then why should Scandinavian gays take the institution seriously? Straights obviously no longer do either.

[Barnacle]

Did I say I speak for all Freepers? I speak for this one Freeper alone. But, many agree with me. And if a poll were taken, I think you'd find yourself in the insignificant minority on Free Republic.

How could you expect it any other way? The homosexual agenda is contrary to Conservative values. Take a look at who your friends are. Are they Conservative?

Speaking of Conservative, what would you know about that? You're a Libertarian, and I didn't have to learn that from your home page. It's gotten so that I can spot one after just two posts. That's how incongruent Libertarianism is with Conservatism.

As far as answering my questions, why not just answer them?

[Barnacle]

Cardinal Bernard Law is a homosexual?

Considering the damage he allowed homosexuals to inflict in his diocese, it would not surprise me if he was.

[The Iguana]

Was the Catholic Church not complicit in covering up the crime? Transferring the offending priests to one new diocese after another, in effect handing them a whole new crop of children to molest?

Yes.

Or it is more accurate to say: many key bishops were. These problems are handled at the diocesan level.

The real question is why so many men with arrested sexual development - nearly all of homosexual orientation, given that something like 94% of reported molestation cases are of adolescent boys - got into the priesthood in the first place. And how they were formed in the seminaries.

There are of course many perfectly chaste, fine same-sex oriented priests serving in the Church. But clearly this orientation poses a greater obstacle for priestly formation than does heterosexuality per se.

But then of course the Church has always held that homosexuality is "gravely disordered."

[Antoninus]

Was the Catholic Church not complicit in covering up the crime? Transferring the offending priests to one new diocese after another, in effect handing them a whole new crop of children to molest?

Uh, if you study all the cases long enough, you come to one inescapable conclusion--there are a lot of homosexual bishops in the US and some (many?) of them were being blackmailed by the sex abusers. Read some of Fr. Shanley's letters to Cardinal Law as reported in the Boston Globe and the Wanderer. Or do you think it was just coincidence that those dioceses that are the most "tolerant" toward the "gay" community also had the greatest number of abuse cases?