The conservatives are outraged -- about Bush (CPAC ArticleBarf Alert)

Salon ^ | 27 Jan 04 | Michelle Goldberg

[bulldogs]

I suppose they are real proud of giving us Bill Clinton too


I don't agree with Bush on a lot of things, but I feel he is honest. It shows in his wife's eyes.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

God forbid that there are still those of us left in the Republican party who put our principles before political expediency and party loyalty

Thank you for the perfect display of just how ugly your little club is.

What makes you think that you are the only principled people? Has someone anointed your little group as special? Are you saying that the others here (supporters of Bush) have no principles?

Yep......that's ugly....very ugly and you stand a snowball's chance in Hell of growing your numbers with your delusional self image of superiority.

[Howlin]

Doncha see, YOU have to be unprincipled in order for HIM to be principled. Aha, I bet you hadn't thought of that, huh?

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Aha, I bet you hadn't thought of that, huh?

LOL...I'm trying to keep up, but it is difficult.

[meadsjn]

You have no idea whether I am a right-winger or moderate, or whether I have any younger friends, or any friends at all; it is not relevant to anything I have said to you.

I have simply pointed out some numerical facts to you. It is great that you know ten people who are switching from Dem to GOP. There are 40-50 million who won't switch for any reason.

Just between you and me, dear, I will most likely vote for Bush again, but that little personal factoid is not relevant to anything I have tried to explain to you.

If you could hold your fire long enough to understand what you are reading, you will be able to see that.

[Howlin]

If you don't mind, I don't need somebody who says "there is a right-wing tsunami coming" to lecture me on politics, no matter how young or old you are.

[meadsjn]

Just curious, are you blaming the weatherman for your ice storm?

[Cacique]

Well, how about that? She doesn't even mention or quote us in the article. Is it possible that we made sense? However, she is right about the atmosphere at CPAC this year, it didn't have the edge that past CPACs have had. The air reaked of discontent.

The White House generally pays attention to the goings on at CPAC, I hope they do this time and steer the ship away from the electoral abyss to which they are headed.

[Howlin]

Now you're confused; you're the one into the blame game, not me.

[The_Eaglet]

I'm glad to see you in the forum still. Of course, I don't recommend sitting out the election as the likely Constitution Party candidate, Michael Peroutka, is a refreshing alternative to the usurpations of the previous and current administrations.

[The_Eaglet]

Campaign Finance Reform thread-day 47

[Warrior Nurse]

I agree with you. We must remember that our representatives in the congress make the laws for the President to sign it is up to them to send him good legislation. We can change the immigration by contacting the House and Senate to write good laws.

[TexKat]

Just wanted to let you know...I heard a story on talk radio this morning about a bill on Bush's desk to ban outsourcing of Federal jobs, India is supposedly livid. Have been trying to verify it, but have spent the last hour screaming at my earthlink screen while it fails to perform a simple Google search. Will update you when I find out more.

If I got it correctly last night, on Lou Dobbs, these are government jobs.

I heard on Fox News earlier that Kraft will be laying off 6000 employees. Has Worldcom laid off their 17,000 yet?

[TexKat]

Just wanted to let you know...I heard a story on talk radio this morning about a bill on Bush's desk to ban outsourcing of Federal jobs, India is supposedly livid. Have been trying to verify it, but have spent the last hour screaming at my earthlink screen while it fails to perform a simple Google search. Will update you when I find out more.

If I got it correctly last night, on Lou Dobbs, these are government jobs.

I heard on Fox News earlier that Kraft will be laying off 6000 employees. Has Worldcom laid off their 17,000 yet?

[Southack]

"I'm surprised that the Bushbots here haven't posted Southack's "Litany of Wonderful Things President Bush has Done", which anyone could do about any President. It is a mindless exercise."

Mindless? So mindless that you could post a similar list about Clinton and Carter?! I doubt it.

Such facts seem to irritate you. Why is that? I post facts such as Bush signing the ban on Partial Birth Abortion, withdrawing from the U.S. - CCCP ABM treaty, ordering deployment of our national nuclear missile defense systems for this year, killing the Kyoto Treaty, dissing the International Criminal Court, and cutting taxes.

In return, you spout "mindless" drivel without even having the courage to ping me.

Typical. You have an agenda that can only be supported through such deception.

[He Rides A White Horse]

Btw, this article was from the liberal website, Salon. Not very friendly to the reelection of Bush-Cheney.

I have sad news for Salon. When Howard Dean runs as an independent, they are going to have much trouble over there also.

[He Rides A White Horse]

You notice I didn't say "take power" because, no matter how many years pass, you right wingers will NEVER field a candidate that the entire country will elect.

Right wingers?...........people who oppose amnesty for illegal immigrants, don't like huge spending, as well as many other unConservative plans and programs are being painted as right wingers?...........and you are now what then, a left winger?

These people have legitimate gripes, I have the same gripes myself.....they are well-founded.

Let this tide continue, this wave of people with no respect for the laws of this country continue, and you'll get the result that is inevitable. It's called erosion.

I'll vote for the President this time........I agree with him on more than I disagree, but I think he is following a thoroughly disproven premise; that is the premise to substitute the wisdom of pollsters for what he knows is right.

[He Rides A White Horse]

Don't worry about Bush this time; he'll win. Dean will see to that. He's the kind of guy to announce a run as an independent. He marches to the beat of his own drummer.

It's something that would be completely in character for him.

[section9]

Precisely. I couldn't have said the words better myself.

I'm a conservative, and it's conservatives that piss me off the most.

We are in the midst of a titanic global struggle among the world's great religions, in which the stakes are the very freedom we enjoy and the very right to worship God and His Son.

And what is the answer of the Right when the times call for Churchillian resolution?

They bitch and moan about the f8%#ing Farm Bill.

There is a reason the Tories were called "the Stupid Party", you know.

George Bush answered the call to arms on 9-11. We invaded Afghanistan and put paid to the regime of the Taliban. We scattered Al Qaeda to the four winds. We then invaded Iraq and destroyed the Middle East's last truly psychotic regime, taking that piece off of bin Laden's chessboard once and for all. George W. Bush instituted landmark tax reductions and nominated real, honest-to-God textualists to the appellate courts.

And people on this board bitch about the Mexicans. Pardon me, but Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ!

George W. Bush is trying to build a governing majority using the Republican Party as his instrument. Anyone who thinks that a major political party can be all Conservative, all the Time, and build a governing majority is an asshat. Barry Goldwater tried to do that and got his ass kicked by a corrupt Texas hack.

Most of you folks thought that a Republican majority would be a Good Thing. Sort of like Martha Stewart. You never thought that you'd have to sell conservatism to people who want government to do things, did you? It doesn't work that way. What did you think, you could publish millions of copies of that Goldwater tract and all of a sudden everyone would see the freaking light?

Let me tell you how it used to be while you bitch and moan about the only Conservative in this race. In 1964, my mother was detailed to join the Sarasota Women's Republican Club to greet Senator Bill Miller, Goldwater's vice-presidential candidate. She told me later that Miller was in town to attend a fundraiser. Anyway, Miller arrived at the appointed time at Sarasota-Bradenton Airport. He got off the charter and was met by all of four people; my Mom, two old battleaxes who were Society Republicans, and little five-year old Section9, dressed in dress shorts, a checked children's jacket, a white shirt, a little black snap-on tie, dark socks, and little oxford shoes (really, my Mom told me that this is what I wore.). It was my first political event. Few of the ultramontaine crowd on this board have ever lived in a situation in which the Republicans were anything other than a joke. In those days, we were a joke. Bill Miller was simply the punchline.

Now this was back in the days when the Florida Party ran charlatans like L.A. "Skip" Bafalis and the vainglorious Claude Kirk, who later became Florida's first Republican Governor. Kirk was a self-important prat who stank of cheap booze and dealt in loose women. If I was a believer in reincarnation, I would argue that Kirk was a pimp in a former life. He tried to promote himself to the Vice Presidency when Nixon came to Miami Beach in 1968. Nixon was horrified at the thought that he might have to run with a man who could barely stagger across a room, much less communicate effectively with the electorate.

And so, Nixon picked Spiro Agnew. We barely beat Hubert Humphrey.

That's what the Republican Party used to be. Do you people want to go back to that?

I will tell you now what Common Tator has tried to tell you lo these many years: if you want Conservative governance, you have to convince most of the people to become Conservatives. You don't even want to do that, so, like the Deanies and the Naderites, you threaten to take your ball and go home.

In the middle of the greatest struggle of our times.

How freaking pathetic. Next thing I know the Right will declare jihad over the fact that the Bureau of Weights and Measures is overfunded.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[dixiepatriot]

>>Are you saying that the others here (supporters of Bush) have no principles?

If the shoe fits....

After all, what if Clinton had advocated amnesty for illegal aliens; signed campaign finance reform; increased federal spending; called for the reauthorization of the "assault weapons ban"; drafted the nation's largest education spending bill with Ted Kennedy; signed the pork-ladden farm bill; embraced the so-called "Patriot Act" to spy on our checking accounts Internet activity, travel plans, and library activity; created a vast new government bureaucracy called "Homeland Security"...and other such big government proposals. If Clinton had done these things your criticism would have been relentless. But you let Bush get away with it simply because of the "R" behind his name. Yes, that's a lack of principle.