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Felos and the Florida Courts: enforcing Terri Schiavo's right to die or forcing Terri to die?

Posted on 01/26/2004 8:47:06 PM PST by russesjunjee

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1 posted on 01/26/2004 8:47:09 PM PST by russesjunjee
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To: floriduh voter
PING!
2 posted on 01/26/2004 8:56:14 PM PST by russesjunjee
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To: russesjunjee
Quote: At an appeals court hearing in August 2001, Felos set a high standard for personhood. "The litmus test is whether or not a person can bring a spoon to their mouth," he said.

Unperson:

Person:

3 posted on 01/26/2004 9:34:31 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: russesjunjee
He has three square meals a day and a woman to keep his bed warm at night

Perfect... Hit the nail on the head!

4 posted on 01/26/2004 9:41:45 PM PST by Humidston (Two Words: TERM LIMITS)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Two pictures are worth any number of words in this case. Thank you for a very moving and powerful argument.
5 posted on 01/26/2004 10:43:39 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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To: russesjunjee; CindyDawg; diamond6; EternalVigilance; floriduh voter; FreepinforTerri; kimmie7; ...
Terri Power Ping. Here is a fabulous article!!
6 posted on 01/26/2004 11:23:38 PM PST by trussell (Troll hunter extraordinaire)
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To: GladesGuru
You are quite welcome.
7 posted on 01/26/2004 11:38:02 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Lady In Blue; Canticle_of_Deborah; MarMema; kimmie7; floriduh voter; JulieRNR21; NautiNurse; ...
Terri Ping
8 posted on 01/26/2004 11:45:21 PM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: russesjunjee
Nice job!
The bit about the chanting over the harmonium is almost too much to stomach. Hold on, let me plug my theramin in...(yes, I have one that we built from a kit).....
visualize me waving my hands around as the Theramin screams, and I chant..."Felos! Felos! Hell is calling to you!!"
9 posted on 01/27/2004 12:08:33 AM PST by sfRummygirl (Tancredo in '04)
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To: trussell
Bump!
10 posted on 01/27/2004 12:23:15 AM PST by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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To: russesjunjee; tutstar; floriduh voter; Robert Drobot; PrepareToLeave; Republic
Excellent -- thanks for posting those quotes & your commentary. This Felos quote illustrates their lies and contrivances:

"Each of us...has a right to control our own body. We have a fundamental right to make our own medical treatment choices, and the state doesn't have a right to override our wishes."
In fact, Felos et al have done everything in their power to keep Terri from expressing herself in her own most clear & eloquent way.

Terri has been denied even the most basic care and rehabilitation: those around her are not allowed to give her even a little bit of shaved ice. No swallow tests has been ALLOWED, even though they are mandated, and even though Terri’s life hangs in the balance! Felos will not allow her the benefit of the doubt -- nor will the judges who have been hearing this case.

Terri is not allowed out on outings by her family, even though this is the most normal thing to ask or to do for a person in Terri's situation, just as Michael took her out in the early 90’s.

WHY IS TERRI A PRISONER? What is Felos afraid of??

And the noose is tightening: we must remember that this latest distressing development is still pending: "Petition to Modify Visitation Rules". This petition by Felos can be heard and granted in a heartbeat, and is most ominous.

11 posted on 01/27/2004 1:55:38 AM PST by cyn (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: FL_engineer; PrepareToLeave
This is FL engineer’s post of Terri clearly understanding and responding:

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From Terri Big Eyes video available at www.terrisfight.org

Terri starts out apparently asleep. A doctor wakes her to start his tests.

Doctor: Terri. Open your eyes up...

Terri: (Startled at hearing her name. She starts moving her mouth and fluttering her eyes, like a person who is just waking up)

Doctor: Open your eyes, Terri open your eyes

Terri: (slowly at first, Terri struggles to open her eyes, then turns toward the doctor, and opens her eyes a normal amount)

Doctor: There you go, good.

Terri: (then, either to show off(?) or wanting to perform well, she leans further forward toward the doctor, looks straight at him and opens her eyes as WIDE AS SHE CAN. Note the WRINKLES ACROSS HER FOREHEAD [!!!] caused by her also RAISING HER EYEBROWS as high as possible )

Doctor: [now obviously impressed] GOOD!! GOOD JOB! GOOD JOB YOUNG LADY! Good Job.

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Thank you, FLE, for your work in putting that sequence together for all to see. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

May God bless all these efforts to effect Terri's release. This is a terrible situation, and an indictment of our present culture of convenience, ignorance, and inhumanity. QUITE the opposite of felos' yoga/harmony with self and the universe . . . he is quite deluded, and takes many with him. Oh, God, may the sleepers awaken . . .

12 posted on 01/27/2004 2:16:27 AM PST by cyn (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn
In that Terri, "Big Eyes" video, there are some things you don't see in the clip that are very telling. When the clip opens and Terri has her eyes closed, that is just after Dr. H. was moving her eyelids with his hands, checking her eyes and reflexes and so forth. For Terri, that is probably a bit of a workout. So, he gets her to close her eyes tight, asks her to open them. You see the little fluttering - probably indicating that she's working it. Then (and this is what Schiavo's doctors call 'simply reflex') she opens her eyes, turns her head to the doctor and raises her eyebrows dramatically. Then - she turns her head in the other direction. That is where her mum was standing. It is as if to say "Everyone happy? I got it!"

This is nothing like reflex. This is cognitive function, clear response to stimulation and compliance. Compliance is something that requires thought.

Reflex would be the doctor pressing down on the back of Terri's tongue and her gagging as a physical reaction. Reflex does not explain the very animated response to the doctor's request and the very apparent understanding of the request, compliance and success in completion. That involves a WHOLE lot more than simple reflex.
13 posted on 01/27/2004 3:41:56 AM PST by phenn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: phenn
Thanks for the additional info! Esp. that she looked over at her mother after doing this . . . how very human (of course! only the hard-hearted do not see this!) and sweet.

Although Terri with her brain injury cannot live the life she or her family imagined for her, that does not mean hers is not a life worth living. And what does it say of our culture if we believe the only recourse for such a one is "death with dignity"?

What more does it take than these pictures, phenn?

Anyway, I'm sending out Terri's Valentine's Day card today.
14 posted on 01/27/2004 4:00:14 AM PST by cyn (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: russesjunjee
Ping! (impressive). Great idea for a thread, russesjunjee.
15 posted on 01/27/2004 5:10:33 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org freeper site)
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To: daylate-dollarshort
A thread by the freeper who can't spell. How incredulous is that?
16 posted on 01/27/2004 5:28:42 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org freeper site)
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To: russesjunjee
Thank you for gathering the quotes.

I hope you send your post to the media. It looks like we have to do their research for them to get them to cover the story, and you have some good research here.
17 posted on 01/27/2004 6:52:50 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; ...
ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

18 posted on 01/27/2004 7:43:23 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt-- Pray for Terry Schiavo!)
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To: nickcarraway
"I wonder how quickly George Felos would change his quote if he was suffering from a severe, debilitating disease himself." No need to wonder, just chain the boy so he cannot raise his arms, then starve the ghoul to death by his own definition! Felos is a disgusting ghoul, but the complicity of the Florida court system, in doing everything to cover their own asses instead of looking at this woman's right to life is what worries me the most ... I wouldn't set foot in that state on a bet! And I'm encouraging my entire immediate family to follow suit, to remove several thousand dollars per year from the Florida 'tourist' funds. The court system is thoroughly corrupted ... that's one huge reason why the dnc chose that state for their criminal behavior in trying to steal the 2000 elections!
19 posted on 01/27/2004 8:43:55 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Rock on! Slings and Arrows. Your pics are worth a million words.
20 posted on 01/27/2004 9:03:13 AM PST by russesjunjee
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