Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles (thread 2) Daily Terror Threat

DEBKA ^ | 11/03/03

[Mossad1967]

Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles

Link to Thread #1

[Calpernia]

>>>What about David Kay's report? Where did all those chemicals and biological agents get siphoned off to? Is Syria going to play WMD extortion with Israel?

Despite the fact that I don't appreciate how you just posted to Old Sarge, you do have a good point. I want to add these links to this newer thread for reference.

We currently suspect Syria of harboring some WMD stash; but let's not forget these ships:

Various FR links and posts referencing Terror Ships/OBL's Navy, etc.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=593#593

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=1414#1414

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=1408#1408

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=1405#1405

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=1381#1381

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=1348#1348

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=1343#1343

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=1337#1337

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=1333#1333

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=1332#1332

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=1330#1330

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=1325#1325

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=1323#1323

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=635#635

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1013726/posts?page=594#594

[brucecw]

This is such a strange story! IF this guard shot himself, I would think the FBI would check that the guard had a gun.

I would assume that the guard would have had a gun. However I'm not sure offhand how easy it is to match a bullet from a handgun with the weapon that fired it - it's not as easy as with a rifle. I seem to remember that about all you can verify is if they're the same caliber, possibly also the same or a similar maker, rather than a specific gun.

It should be possible to test for residue on his hand however, and also whether the gun had been fired. That could get fairly conclusive results I would think.

[Rutles4Ever]

I guess that came off pretty snotty, but what on earth did his post accomplish except frighten some Freepers into watching the news all night for a non-event? I just see those of us concerned about terrorism becoming more and more marginalized because it's creeping into paranoia. Therefore, the legitimate threats will be lumped in with the easily-explained non-events and everyone else will be asleep at the wheel.

There is a grain of truth to the addage that "history repeats itself". The focus is getting skewed from the spectator side of the field, IMHO.

[brucecw]

Would a camping type propane be ok? Venting ?

Unless you do some serious work to vent the propane stove to a chimney or ventilate the room very well, DO NOT use it indoors. You run a huge risk of asphyxiation due to carbon monoxide and/or carbon dioxide. It seems like every year a few people around here try using a camping stove or something similar for heat - especially those who came up to the middle South from the deep South or Mexico (yes, I know....) and are surprised by how cold it can get at times. Not very many things sadder than reading about the deaths of an entire family.

Any kind of stove that works by burning wood or any kind of gas or kerosene that you might use for heating or anything but incidental cooking needs to be very well ventilated. Usually it isn't worth using a stove that's not ventilated to a chimney indoors for any length of time because in order to make it safe you have to open too many windows which defeats the purpose.

[brucecw]

The Al-Qaeda threatens with the doing of an attack ' he shocks the scientist ' against the United States

FWIW they've been saying this literally since right after 9/11. About the only thing that's changed lately has been that their rhetoric has become, if possible, even shriller than it was before.

[Calpernia]

>>>On August 30, 2001 he predicted the World Trade Center terrorist attack in an article titled, "Get Osama! Now! Or else "

>>>First, I'd like to see an EXACT quote of the alleged prediction.

Found that article Poohbah. I don't see the exact quote at all:

http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/CH30Df01.html

THE ROVING EYE
Get Osama! Now! Or else ...
By Pepe Escobar

PESHAWAR, Pakistan - American commandos likely to descend on Pakistan's tribal areas may not be too keen on acquiring the supreme fashion accessory of 2001 in the region, the Osama bin Laden T-shirt, boasting such inscriptions as "World Hero" and "The Great Mujahid of Jihad". They're selling briskly in Peshawar's Saddar bazaar for less than US$2 a pop.

The US special forces guys could also take back home a few examples of Osama rappin', available on cassette tapes. They could collect Osama mug shots with lovely psychedelic overtones, and even an Osama video - where the No 1 on the FBI's most wanted list on charges of international terrorism preaches from a mosque and talks to his faithful jihadis in the field. Osama says, "You gotta leave all these places run by 'allies of Jews and Christians' and come to me to do the jihad." He calls for "blood, blood and destruction, destruction" - referring to an array of Muslim victims from Palestine to Chechnya, from Lebanon to Kashmir.

Osama bin Laden - also the No 1 target of the CIA's counter-terrorism center - is now a superstar playing the bad guy in some sort of planetary Hollywood fiction. Yet inside Afghanistan today, where the Saudi Arabian lives in exile, Osama is a minor character. He is ill and always in hiding - usually "somewhere near Kabul". Once in a while he travels incognito to Peshawar. His organization, the Al Qa'Ida, is split, and in tatters. The Taliban owe him a lot for his past deeds towards the movement and in putting them in power in Afghanistan - contributing with a stack of his own personal fortune of millions of dollars. But no longer an asset, he has become a liability.

General President (or vice-versa) Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan is not sleeping very well these days since the full force of the George W administration requested his direct input into a high-tech "Get Osama" operation any time soon. Peshawar is full of rumors concerning an American commando infiltrating Afghanistan from Pakistan, supported by formidable airpower.

Call Jerry Bruckheimer! This is the stuff Hollywood is made of - and also the stuff of debacles such as Jimmy Carter's attempted rescue of US hostages in Iran. Any Mujahid worth his Kalashnikov in Afghanistan these days - up to commander Ahmadshah Masoud himself - is on the record as saying that Cruise missile attacks will cause no damage whatsoever to the already ravaged country.

Officially, Musharraf has rejected his support for this latest Hollywood ploy, and has been frantically trying to convince the Americans any brutal action against Osama or his so-called "terrorist sanctuaries" will fuel a radical Islamic backlash in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Central Asia of "burn, baby, burn" proportions. It doesn't matter that the strike would have the full approval of the United Nations and the G-8 countries - this would be an added reason for a series of Islamic counter-strikes across the industrialized world.

Under an army of spinners, this nifty "George W does Rambo" number will be played to the galleries as one of the latest American foreign policy initiatives concerning Afghanistan. It's no secret America wants even more sanctions against the Taliban - and maybe against Pakistan. But as many people either in the Pashto belt on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border or in the Tajik-speaking areas have been saying out loud for months, there is no Western policy concerning Afghanistan - except the UN sanctions, which among others, call on the Taliban to hand over bin Laden.

The UN has now posted more than 20 monitors in countries bordering Afghanistan - part of a sanctions enforcement support team - to ensure full implementation. This means, in practice, a lot of electronic surveillance on the very porous 1,200 kilometer Pakistan-Afghanistan border, and a lot of "counter-terrorism tactics". An array of hardcore Islamic parties in Pakistan have already announced that they will make the life of the "Team" as miserable as possible.

Most of all, Musharraf cannot sleep well because one thing he doesn't need in Pakistan right now is more trouble from Islamic hardliners. What he needs is a lot of cash from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank to keep the economy afloat. If he says yes to the Americans, all hell will break loose concerning the radicals, but he will certainly bag a crucial US$3.5 billion Poverty Reduction Growth Fund from the IMF, as well as other loans from Western nations. There are some signs that the Musharraf administration is at least doing something to restrain the hardliners. It has frozen all the accounts of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan held with the State Bank of Pakistan, and also all the accounts held by jihadi outfits inside Pakistan.

Pakistani government officials, though, remain afraid. They know that even a semblance of minimal cooperation with the "Get Osama" scheme will be devastating for the Musharraf government. They know that since 1996 the Taliban have become masters at using any kind of conflict inside the Pakistani establishment to their full advantage. They always extract maximum benefit from Pakistan without any political concessions.

The Taliban are closely intertwined with Pakistani society. Their ultra-conservative - and for the West, demented form of Islam - is widely admired by a young generation of Pakistani madrassas (fundamentalist religious school) students. All it takes to understand the process is a visit to one of the thousands of madrassas in the tribal areas where Osama is the "World Hero of jihad."

It is quite clear that one way or another the jihad T-shirt vendors in the Peshawar bazaars will keep on rollin' - with or without customers from the land of George W.

[Velveeta]

This report says the guard was "unarmed".

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2369939
"The shooting of an unarmed security guard at a chemical plant here drew the attention of national security officials because the gunman, who was who was described as having a heavy accent, told the guard he was taking photographs of the area."

[Calpernia]

This terror thread does have a reputation; but how many times have you seen posted at FR, in general, things like, "does anyone know what is going on here/there/etc" "See lots of emergency vehicles", "felt an earthquake", "heard a loud noise...."

FR has developed a reputation as a breaking news thread. FR has scoped many services. Along with this, of course we have been wrong too.

[Calpernia]

>>>Dennis Kucinich, Democratic candidate for president

Maybe this thread should be linked here. AmericanInTokyo broke this...and it really went 'no where'.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/953876/posts

As a FReeper Researcher, I have just come across a JAPANESE organization, based on an overseas JAPANESE website, in JAPANESE, that is encouraging foreigners to contribute money to and assist the "Campaign for American President Dennis Kucinich".

[judicial meanz]

I did a lot of research on that thread, and it led me to more.

You would be surprised just how many candidates have foreign money in their campaign funds. Most of it is laundered through some intermediate organization before it is submitted. Both Republicans and Dems.

[Calpernia]

I haven't seen that before either. And I'll add an interesting side note too.

While following the SARs, smallpox, et al threads over the past 2 years....I've seen many times mentioned that Drs./ Hospitals/First responders would be 'getting an info pack' of some sorts giving heads up and course of actins for things to look out for.

Well, my husband is a doctor. Our friends/his colleagues are doctors. They even work in state hospitals. No one has ever seen any type of info pack.

I went onto the CDC site yesterday, looks like this may be the information that was intended to be sent out. Nothing ever was sent out though. They must have decided to make all this accessable from their website; but they failed to notify anyone that the info is/was here.

http://www.bt.cdc.gov/training/index.asp

[Calpernia]

That is disgusting. How can these people sleep at night?

[brucecw]

This report says the guard was "unarmed".

Thanks - I missed that. The only question would be whether he was really unarmed or only "officially" unarmed.

[Selene]

Maybe they are only running the Tom Ridge "be prepared for terrorism" television commercials in California.

Believe me, the people here are oblivious.

I have also noted an increase in Emergency Broadcast Tests on local TV and Radio.
Anyone else notice this?

[Calpernia]

>>>I have also noted an increase in Emergency Broadcast Tests on local TV and Radio.
Anyone else notice this?

I did a few weeks ago; but that has since stopped by me.

[WestCoastGal]

Hi Ruth: How are you?

About those dummy schools for terrorists, I'm afraid they don't need dummy schools they used to just come in to any school (including flight) because we're soooooooooooo STUPID. It's that "Send me your tired, your weak, your poor lady in NY harbor that was meant as an honorable thing. Somehow it got lost in the translation to arabic as "Send me your future terrorists"

Canada is currently still investigating schools that are set up just to get people into the country.(Iposted that link on the other thread) They are just absolutely reckless with all of our lives. The borders are still wide open, nothing they say changes that. It's sort of like where our thread was sent, blah blah blah. ~~~Chat~~~

[WestCoastGal]

Wow, are they just slow, haven't thought about this before or do they have intel that reminded them that this could be a very big problem if God forbid something like this would happen.

[Pegita]

Heavenly Father, we return to give You thanks that days have passed, and we have been able to go about the tasks at hand without attack on our homeland. We praise You for Your loving kindness to us ... we thank You that this relative calm allows all of our services to be better trained and better equipped to uncover plans of attack ... to name those who plan ... to find those who would carry out devastation ... to lesses the ability of the enemy to shed innocent blood.

And yet blood continues to be spilled worldwide, O God ... the struggle is as old as the beginning of time ... the forces of evil that would overcome the forces of good. Thank You that the battle is Yours ... that it is a spiritual battle and the outcome is assured ... "I have said this to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." John 16:33

For this reason we pray for those who stir up strife ... for those who plan murder. We pray for the darkness of souls that don't yet have the light of life. Pierce their hearts with the truth of Your words, Creator God, that they might have the eternal life promised by You, and not promised by man.

Yet help us to remain vigilant and not distracted ... compassionate and not foolish ... armed with purpose and not swayed by lying tongues. Terrorism is to be crushed beneath the heel of justice, that freedom and liberty might be the portion of all people. Guide us in this task, O God, for it is great, but greater are You. In the Name of Jesus, I pray, Amen ...

[WestCoastGal]

Fox News alert: Baghdad coalition headquarters in lockdown, bomb discovered in car outside. They may have stopped an attack.

[Poohbah]

Interesting. So this chap is now doing BS claims of "predicting" terrorist attacks to boost his resume.

The guy looks less credible by the minute...