Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles (thread 2) Daily Terror Threat

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[Mossad1967]

Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles

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[judicial meanz]

I would count you as one of the grand masters, you old Cold Warrior.

Sarge: stupid question, but maybe it can shed some light on something.

I see the current environment and the threat matrix evolving, and the question that it screams is this:

1) Is there any talk, plans, or possibilities of reviving the old Civil Defense network or something similar, yet updated? ( Believe me, it is very needed. Look at the thread. Most of the Cold War coporate knowledge has been lost on the last 13-14 years. DHS tells us to buy saran wrap and duct tape. Why dont they look at intensive programs instead of feel good programs like USA Freedom Corps?

2) With a declared low intensity guerilla war on our doorstep, why dont we examine some type of program to share skills that may be relevant to this war, but lost over the years to bring to bear on this issue? The similarities with the Cold War are very intriguing.

3) If we dont have enough Federal troops, why dont we revive State Defense Forces to stand border guard and take some of the strain and deployment stress off the NG, Reserves, and AD troops? A few million dollars would fund this program, and it would work.

I know you are just a cog in the wheel, but thanks for listening.

[milkncookies]

Anyone, what the heck is this? Surely it's a hoax.....right?

http://alqaedanews.blogspot.com

[Calpernia]

>>>>Most of the Cold War coporate knowledge has been lost on the last 13-14 years.

Want to know how much knowledge has been lost? Nothing is mentioned of it in school. It is not taught. I personally cold not even begin to explain what the cold war was.

I've tried reading up on it online; but most of what I find is badly written college essays.

I think NW_AZ_Granny has demonstrated this knowledge loss very well in finding that etext.org site.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

I think it's a good idea, but I suspect the powers that be don't want anything to do with civilian involvement.

Just a guess.

[judicial meanz]

Believe it or not, Cal, there are plenty of us Cold Warriors out here who are not all that old. Some are even in their late 30's and early 40's, yet they have impressive credentials of Cold War service.

Cold War history is a political hotplate. The left hates the fact we won, and the right put a lot of players on the plate to win. The history of the Cold War will probably be written by our grandkids because of this.

It was a lot more than "duck and cover". Belive me. We still have POWs unaccounted for from the Cold War, and we had losses of personnel, planes, etc during the course of the war.

There are so many similarities between this war and the Cold War that is is unreal, but this war has a different character and some adaptation would be needed.The biggest one is to take it seriously and not let Hollywood define it.

[milkncookies]

Nevermind, I'm convinced it's a hoax.

[judicial meanz]

I agree with you gillman. The powers that be dont want to involve civilians any more than cats want to fly.

But they probably wont have a choice if we have to go through another catastrophic attack and suffer casualties. People will want answers.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

Answers?

We can't handle answers.

(Sigh)

[eastforker]

We read what osama smith has to say but what about abdul, what is he saying, or is it like our freep mail, we retain what we receive but not what we send. If thats the case we are reading abdules' mail.

[Old Sarge]

Lemme try, here:

1. Is there any talk, plans, or possibilities of reviving the old Civil Defense network or something similar, yet updated?
The old CD netowrk simply morphed and was assimilated into other places, less glamourous and visible. Communications has improved so much since the origins of the CD Corps, that many of its functions are already absorbed - think about early weather warnings, alerts, disaster notification, just to name a few. Cel phones, the Internet, and sat dishes provide people with redundant information on practically everything.

Hell, if I can get breaking intel off of FR faster than channels, who am I to argue???

2. With a declared low intensity guerilla war on our doorstep, why dont we examine some type of program to share skills that may be relevant to this war, but lost over the years to bring to bear on this issue? The similarities with the Cold War are very intriguing.
Understand this: NO ONE EVER REALLY RETIRES.

3. If we dont have enough Federal troops, why dont we revive State Defense Forces to stand border guard and take some of the strain and deployment stress off the NG, Reserves, and AD troops?

Because no one's standing border guard yet.

The only missions we (ARNG) have pulled are MSCA missions as part of Noble Eagle. And again, most folks are at the mercy of a red-lensed media; the border successes aren't talked about, just like the war successes aren't getting through.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

...Because no one's standing border guard yet...

Some civilian groups are trying, but they gubmnt demonizes them worse than the enemies and the invaders.

To those of us out in flyover, the gubmnt seems to consider us the main enemy.

[Oorang]

LOL on the blonds and the flashlight. Humor aside, your post is not reassuring, but also not surprising. Ridge has only had 2 years to implement his plan, but, I honestly feel that more could have been done in the last 2 years. A lot more. A simple concept like border control for starters.

[brucecw]

Sean,

There seems to be little doubt that the bulk of Muslims don't support the more radical forms of terrorism. You are however right that this is to a large extent in spite of some of the teachings of the Koran.

But many religions have had intolerent phases - the early history of the Jews, the Christian Inquisition, etc - but as their understanding has grown they have as St. Paul put it, "put aside childish things." This has not yet happened with Islam; perhaps it never will. I'm not convinced that it's an inevitable consequence of the religion, but I am convinced that its origins were a form of Christian heresy (I perhaps should say, Apostasy). They tend to concentrate on the Christian doctrine of the deity of Christ to distinguish themselves from "the polytheists," but in fact there have been other Christian cults and heresies that denied it as well ... but they have abandoned some even more fundamental doctrines, that is, His teachings. Even if He was just a prophet -- the greatest prophet, in fact -- and not God, to ignore the core of His teachings nullifies any claims to be following Him. Likewise with many of the old Jewish teachings, because Jesus' teachings were very much in line with much of Jewish thought.

However all of this is irrelevant to the present situation. Islam as it stands now has, as a whole, clearly borne bitter fruit. Although there are certainly some adherents who truly want to do the right thing, the religion as a whole must be condemned as one of the evil trees that Jesus spoke of in the Sermon on the Mount.

It gives me no pleasure and in fact great pain to say this, but I fear that modern Islam has been inspired from the other direction. Perhaps in fact it is the religion of the Beast spoken of by St. John the Divine who "causeth all, both great and small, to worship him."

[Cindy]

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[Oorang]

Another port area that worries me is Puget Sound, WA. Right next to Canada and home to a major military submarine base. Since it is military I'm sure their security is very tight, but with the reports from M. Ijaz, the frogman picture, etc. a hit in Puget Sound would be major.

[Cindy]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2004/01/000761print.html

January 29, 2004


JIHAD WATCH.org: "U.S. Revokes Visas of 16 at Islamic Institute"


ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The State Department recently revoked the diplomatic visas of 16 people affiliated with an Islamic institute in Virginia, the latest step in a joint U.S.-Saudi crackdown that has led to an exodus of Riyadh's diplomats from the United States in recent months, a senior Saudi official said yesterday." This from the Washington Post, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:

The 16 staffers at the Fairfax-based Institute for Islamic and Arabic Sciences in America are among two dozen Saudi personnel whose diplomatic credentials were revoked in recent weeks, a senior U.S. law enforcement official said. The revocations, the official said, were part of "an ongoing effort to protect the homeland." He said the Saudis have been told that they must leave within two weeks.

In all, about 70 people with Saudi diplomatic credentials about have left the United States in the past four months, the Saudi official said."

[swarthyguy]

Cold War?

Try these Masterpieces:

Anthony Cave Brown - Bodyguard of Lies Vols 1 and 2

ACB - C - The biography of Sir Stewart Mackenzie

ACB - Treason in the Blood - Harold Philby and Kim Philby.

The Mitrokhin Archives - Mitrokhin

The Haunted Wood - Weinstein

The Main Enemy - Milt Bearden and James Risen


Your pop quiz awaits.

[milkncookies]

No idea. I stumbled upon it by accident and that's all I have found of the converation.

[Oorang]

Has anyone heard/read any updates on the search for Midaat Mursi?

[Mrs. Xtrmst]

Going out on a limb here, but I think that gold goes up when everything else goes down. So if the market tanks or there is pronounced distrust of how it will do in the near future, gold will go up. I thought that gold going up was to be an indicator of possible foreknowledge of terrorist activity or something else causing instability in the market. Probably someone else who knows more about it could shed some light on it for us?