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Democrats' priority: Winning election
Charlotte Observer ^ | Jan 25, 2004 | RICHARD RUBIN

Posted on 01/25/2004 3:10:34 PM PST by gitmo

Democrats' priority: Winning election

Some voters toss issues for electability


For many Democrats, the "issues" are no longer the issue. What counts this year is winning.

Unified by their distaste for President Bush, the party faithful have adopted pundit-ese in their search for a 2004 Democratic nominee. The key, they say, is "electability."

"The only issue that matters to me is whether they can win in November," said Suzanne Whitley, a 34-year-old mother of two from Orangeburg, S.C. "That's what I'm looking for -- someone who can go all the way. We have to get that man out of the White House."

Dick Bennett, president of American Research Group in New Hampshire, has conducted polls for 24 years and says he's never seen anything like the 2004 phenomenon. The candidates who tried to focus on issues failed and retooled their messages.

"I can get people to say health care and the economy are important, but when it comes to choosing a candidate, they don't care," Bennett said. "Anyone's better than Bush."

Candidates get the message, incorporating Electoral College math and practical politics into their speeches.

Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, for example, is trying to twang his way into the White House. Speaking to hungry Democratic voters who scorn their president and know their political history, Edwards points to his mouth.

By "talking like this," he says in his Carolina-bred accent, he can beat President Bush in the South.

Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut says he won't alienate cultural conservatives.

Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts plays up his military experience in Vietnam.

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean promises to give Bush the straight-up fight Dean thinks he deserves.

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark will hold an "electability rally" in New Hampshire today featuring former S.C. Gov. Jim Hodges.

Republicans may have trouble understanding the venom directed toward the president, but for the hard-core Democrats who choose their party's nominee, Bush is the unmistakable enemy on everything from Iraq to the environment to tax cuts.

Starting with the "stolen" 2000 election, Bennett said, Democrats have united behind their desire to oust Bush.

Jamie Mieghan, 32, of Bedford, N.H., heard Edwards speak at a Manchester public library last week. Mieghan, who owns a small furniture manufacturing business, measured Edwards with a common field test.

"I want to see if he's viable to beat Bush," she said.

Democrats haven't always focused on electability, preferring passionate stances and liberal stump appeal to pragmatism.

The results: landslide losses for George McGovern in 1972 and Walter Mondale in 1984.

This year, said professor Stephen Wayne of Georgetown University, "No one has really captured that imagination, and so therefore if there's not an unusual attraction at this time to any one candidate, why not use electability as the prime reason for deciding who to vote for?"

That's happened in the past, too. Bush benefited in 2000 from his presidential pedigree and fund-raising skills, persuading party leaders early on that he was the best candidate for the fall.

Sometimes, the "I can win" strategy fails. In 1996, Lamar Alexander's ABC campaign (Alexander Beats Clinton) never energized Republican voters.

In other years, candidates have overcome doubts about their mass appeal. By March 1992, Bill Clinton was hounded by hints of scandal, but he kept his primary-season lead and won in November.

Last week's Iowa caucuses demonstrated the importance of electability. According to polls, more than a quarter of caucus-goers cited the need to back a winner as their top priority.

That hurt Dean and helped Kerry and Edwards.

Betty Carlson of Long Grove, Iowa, said she found Dean too cocky. She decided the positive message from the two senators would work better in November.

"People who like Dean because of his stand on the war realize that he truly is a god with clay feet, that he has potentially self-destructive capacities on a campaign trail that would work against him," said Denison University professor Emmett Buell, an expert on the presidential nominating process.

Voters' focus on electability forced Dean to retool his campaign after his third-place finish in Iowa, which he capped with a now-infamous shouting speech. Now, as he prepares for Tuesday's New Hampshire primary, he's touting his record as governor, auditioning the chief-executive moves he hopes to try against George Bush.

Donna Brazile, Al Gore's campaign manager in 2000, said electability arguments can come in many forms, from crowing about foreign-policy experience to boasting of a motivated base of volunteers and donors.

"It's never not been there," she said of electability. "It's been there as a salient issue, but now it's more of a message point."





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If their theme re-focuses on "Bush is bad. Vote for us." then they lose.


gitmo

1 posted on 01/25/2004 3:10:35 PM PST by gitmo
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To: gitmo
NEAT bulldog graphic!

I keep hearing that. The DIMWIT-O-Crats care more about beating Bush than Winning. They hate President Bush MORE than they care about their own agenda. They are such immature children!!!!!!! I think MOST two year olds are MORE mature than the average DIMWIT-O-Crat!
2 posted on 01/25/2004 3:12:49 PM PST by buffyt (You don't have a leg to stand on, Howard Dean, because you have both feet in your mouth!)
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To: gitmo
Only Bush can beat Bush. He is off to a good start by alienating his base with his illegal immigrant amnesty plan.
3 posted on 01/25/2004 3:16:36 PM PST by Hugin
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To: gitmo
What counts this year is winning.

This year? Is he kidding?

Doesn't he recall the famous Clinton line, "Well, I guess we'll have to win then."

In short, winning at all costs has always been the Democrat goal. That's why they never solve problems, they just keep the issues alive for campaign purposes.

-PJ

4 posted on 01/25/2004 3:16:39 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: buffyt
Nice kitties. My boys love cats.
5 posted on 01/25/2004 3:17:15 PM PST by gitmo (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Hugin
That was true with Bush 41. He succeeded in beating himself. ... That didn't sound good, but you know what I mean.
6 posted on 01/25/2004 3:19:16 PM PST by gitmo (Who is John Galt?)
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To: gitmo
its a liberal jihad.

they dont care about reality. they dont care about the truth. and they certainly dont care about right and wrong.

you should take a look at a local michigan forum i visit during the week. i dont bother on the weekends, thats the domain of conspiracy theorists and nutjobs.

http://www.mlive.com/forums/newstalk/
7 posted on 01/25/2004 3:21:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (.50 cal border fence)
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To: Hugin
Then it will all work out as you wish.
8 posted on 01/25/2004 3:22:59 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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When your opposition understands that winning is what matters and are supporting the leftmost viable candidate of the two (whoever vs. Bush) without regard to focus on individual issues that do not change the reality that someone is is leftward of Bush, then You Are In Trouble If You Don't Do The Same.

We will lose, Bush will lose, not as a consequence of positions taken, but as a consequence of extremists not matching the opposition's zeal to win. You must support the rightmost candidate who is viable. The liberals know who that is. Do you?
10 posted on 01/25/2004 3:28:47 PM PST by Owen
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To: Hugin
That's right. Overall, I guess we'll be alot better off with a Democrat president. then it won't only be immigration, we can have the partial birth abortion reversed, more gun control legislation, the UN running our country with a Democrat president as caretaker and our military further emaciated. All because of a PROPOSAL by Bush on immigration. Boy, will we teach that Bush a lesson...
11 posted on 01/25/2004 3:28:58 PM PST by Russ
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To: gitmo
Really nothing new here.

The Democrats Top Ten priorities are always in this order:

1. Do whatever is best for yourself (i.e. keep yourself in power).
2. Do whatever is best for the party.
3. Do whatever is best for your contributors.
4. Do whatever it takes to destroy the Constitution.
5. Do whatever is best for the United Nations.
6. Do whatever is best for the special interest groups.
7. Do whatever is best for the French.
8. Do whatever is best for every murdering dictator around the world.
9. Blame America for everything!!
10. Destroy all conservatives, anywhere.

Doing what is best for the United States, what is right for the United States, does not even make the top ten. In fact, it would not register at all in the liberal mind.

Democrats, and may I say many Republicans, are interested in only one thing: Gaining power and keeping power. And how do they gain power? Money. They take our money through taxes and money is power. They get elected with money. They spend out money to convince others with money to give them more money. When they want to get elected, what do they alway promise: Spending more of OUR money.

Doing what is best for the country and the Constitution? Does not even cross their minds.

12 posted on 01/25/2004 3:29:04 PM PST by technomage
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To: gitmo
"Gravitas"

"Authenticity"

"Electability" -- Just the lastest media buzz-word.
13 posted on 01/25/2004 3:30:51 PM PST by Timeout ("Earn this. Earn it."....)
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To: anniegetyourgun
Not really. I find the whole thing terribly depressing and demoralizing. My only hope is that if enough of us complain long and ludly enough the Republican Party establishment will wake up and get the message. But frankly their track record isn't too good.
14 posted on 01/25/2004 3:31:58 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Owen
you're absolutely right.

ive spent the last year telling my conservative friends that complacency is a loss for bush and the country. just because democrats are fools doesnt mean they have no chance. after all its easiest to get a fool to follow you than it is a thinker who questions your motives.

its fine to question bush and even oppose him when you dissagree, but use your head when you do so.
15 posted on 01/25/2004 3:34:11 PM PST by cripplecreek (.50 cal border fence)
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To: wolf24
"For many Democrats, the "issues" are no longer the issue. What counts this year is winning."

True. I am from an area where there have been no Republicans on the ballot for local elections for years. Everyone in the family was a registered Dem. However, everyone has left the party as the liberals have taken over (especially the abortion issue).

In the last election my parents lived to vote in, 2000, everyone voted for Bush but my elderly father. He said he voted for Gore because the Dems said that if Bush won, Social Security would be cut off. If I ever get the opportunity to speak with Mr. Gore I want to congratulate him for scaring my father to death to get a vote, the last he cast. I will also let Mr. Gore know that his actions have strengthened my resolve to get all libs out of office and to be more active in doing so.

16 posted on 01/25/2004 3:41:26 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 (Sic Semper Tyrannus)
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To: Owen
We will lose, Bush will lose, not as a consequence of positions taken, but as a consequence of extremists not matching the opposition's zeal to win.

I hope that is not an accurate assessment of this nation. If it is, then the Republic is doomed. If our citizens no longer vote on principles and issues, then what is the point of having elections?
17 posted on 01/25/2004 3:42:09 PM PST by gitmo (Who is John Galt?)
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I hope that is not an accurate assessment of this nation. If it is, then the Republic is doomed. If our citizens no longer vote on principles and issues, then what is the point of having elections?
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The point is to determine who wins. The one we want to win is the rightward-most viable candidate of the two.

19 posted on 01/25/2004 3:52:14 PM PST by Owen
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To: Owen
With respect, horsecrap.

What you're saying is that when the Democrats nominate Stalin, we must nominate Himmler or we will lose the election. The rightmost candidate who is viable is Bush, not some jackass from the Constitution Party or the Losertarians. Elections are not won by the extremes in this country, they are won in the center by candidates who offer a vision for the future.

The extremists have nothing to do with it.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

20 posted on 01/25/2004 3:56:23 PM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "I have John Kerry's medals! No, really, their in my purse!")
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