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Couple lose their home over $120 debt
The Sacramento Bee ^ | January 24, 2004 | Michael Kolber -- Bee Staff Writer

Posted on 01/25/2004 5:49:41 AM PST by DelaWhere

Edited on 04/12/2004 6:04:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Couple lose their home over $120 debt By Michael Kolber -- Bee Staff Writer Published 2:15 a.m. PST Saturday, January 24, 2004 Get weekday updates of Sacramento Bee headlines and breaking news. Sign up here.

COPPEROPOLIS -- A retired couple's dispute with their homeowners association has spiraled out of control in this Calaveras County community -- and now they have lost their home less than a year after failing to pay $120 in annual dues.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: abuse; association; constitution; homeowner; property; propertyrights; radcliff; rights
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1 posted on 01/25/2004 5:49:41 AM PST by DelaWhere
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To: DelaWhere
So, a $120 charge turned into damn near $2,000, and the HOA isn't "really" an HOA, but a loose association of their neighbors?

Frankly, I'd rather live next door tot he Mengeles. They'd probably be more neighborly.

ANd I'm waiting to see what the HOA defenders have to say on this one.

You'd have to be NUTS to live in a development with an HOA.

2 posted on 01/25/2004 5:53:42 AM PST by Malacoda
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To: DelaWhere
and now they have lost their home less than a year after failing to pay $120 in annual dues.

I don't care what the reason, if anybody tried to take away my home, they'd be looking at the wrong end of my .45 ACP!

3 posted on 01/25/2004 5:54:13 AM PST by Pern ("It's good to know who hates you, and it's good to be hated by the right people." - Johnny Cash, RIP)
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To: DelaWhere
Some HOA's are benign.

But I won't take that chance.

4 posted on 01/25/2004 5:55:40 AM PST by Lazamataz (The Republicans have turned into Democrats, and the Democrats have turned into Marxists.)
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To: DelaWhere
This is unbelievable. I know some on this forum will say that the Radcliffs entered into a "voluntary contract" and hence deserve no special consideration.

Myself, I vote for common sense. I think the HOA should be sued for financial terrorism.

5 posted on 01/25/2004 5:56:11 AM PST by sauropod (Graduate, Boortz Institute for Insensitivity Training)
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To: Pern
I don't care what the reason, if anybody tried to take away my home, they'd be looking at the wrong end of my .45 ACP!

The problem is, they'd be looking at the wrong end of a .45 ACP -- but you'd be looking at the wrong ends of about 30 M16's and about 10 Remington 700's.

7 posted on 01/25/2004 5:56:46 AM PST by Lazamataz (The Republicans have turned into Democrats, and the Democrats have turned into Marxists.)
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To: DelaWhere
reminds me of a true story about a rich man who was in charge of the owner's committee at an exclusive Park Ave place.

one of the owners was having a little bit of difficulty paying his maintenance -- I believe it was six figures. the committee man offered to give the owner time to get his affairs in order.

and these lowlifes wanna ruin someone's life for 120 measly dollars? that's just plain evil.

8 posted on 01/25/2004 5:56:47 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: DelaWhere
The Radcliffs can receive about $60,000 from the sale of their house after paying off the homeowners association and a lien for past-due income taxes.

Sounds like forgetting to pay their association dues wasn't the ONLY problem this couple had.

10 posted on 01/25/2004 5:57:58 AM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: DelaWhere
There is also an allusion to a tax lien on the property.

More to the story here. Maybe the Radcliffs have Alzheimer's or something?

11 posted on 01/25/2004 5:58:50 AM PST by sauropod (Graduate, Boortz Institute for Insensitivity Training)
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"One of the unfortunate things about people is when you get a little power, it goes to their heads," said Anita Radcliff, 61.

Welcome to the planet, Anita. If you ever vote for a proponent of big government again, you haven't learned your lesson.

12 posted on 01/25/2004 5:58:54 AM PST by ovrtaxt (You got an extra Koran? I'm like totally out of toilet paper.)
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A friend of mine who lives a couple of blocks to the south of me is a very active person in the Republican party. She has held fund raisers for the Bushes, Tom DeLay, Ron Paul, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, etc. in her home. She told me the other day that her HOA doesn't allow campaign signs in the front yard in her neighborhood! I told her I would not put up with that, also being active in the Rep. party. She said "We decided to do that!" I can't believe anyone would want to live on her street and be unable to have a campaign sign in the yard once every four years. We have deed restrictions that call for a garage, brick homes, home a certain size... but no HOA.
13 posted on 01/25/2004 5:58:54 AM PST by buffyt (You don't have a leg to stand on, Howard Dean, because you have both feet in your mouth!)
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To: the invisib1e hand
and these lowlifes wanna ruin someone's life for 120 measly dollars? that's just plain evil.

Could this foreclosure be reversed somehow? I sure would like to see this couple be able to simply pay the 120 and be done with it.

14 posted on 01/25/2004 5:59:00 AM PST by Lazamataz (The Republicans have turned into Democrats, and the Democrats have turned into Marxists.)
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To: buffyt
So what's the higher authority, the first amendment, or the bylaws?
15 posted on 01/25/2004 6:01:00 AM PST by ovrtaxt (You got an extra Koran? I'm like totally out of toilet paper.)
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To: Leroy S. Mort; Lazamataz
"The Radcliffs can receive about $60,000 from the sale of their house after paying off the homeowners association and a lien for past-due income taxes. All expect the home's current owner to demand much more than the $70,000 he paid for the house to sell it back to the Rad-cliffs."

"I doubt if that would be a viable option. He's going to look for profit," said Don Morger, the senior vice president of Coast Assessment Service."

"The new owner could not be reached for comment."

The new owner is a prick. He should be sued also. Bet he's a 'Rat.

16 posted on 01/25/2004 6:01:44 AM PST by sauropod (What happens at CPAC stays at CPAC)
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but you'd be looking at the wrong ends of about 30 M16's and about 10 Remington 700's.

Oh, it's a given that the SWAT team Rambo wannabes would be on me like a pack of wolves, but they'd have to kill me first.

17 posted on 01/25/2004 6:02:27 AM PST by Pern ("It's good to know who hates you, and it's good to be hated by the right people." - Johnny Cash, RIP)
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To: ovrtaxt; AAABEST; countrydummy
Courts have held in this country that it is the bylaws.

Severe damage to freedom has occurred and most folks don't even know it.

18 posted on 01/25/2004 6:03:52 AM PST by sauropod (What happens at CPAC stays at CPAC)
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To: Pern
Oh, it's a given that the SWAT team Rambo wannabes would be on me like a pack of wolves, but they'd have to kill me first.

See, I don't intend to go out like that.

I'd rather be an irritant for the next 20 years. Lawsuits, injunctions, discovery, investigation, et. al. Day after day. Week after week. Month after month. Year after year.

Like rain wearing away a mountain.

20 posted on 01/25/2004 6:08:34 AM PST by Lazamataz (The Republicans have turned into Democrats, and the Democrats have turned into Marxists.)
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