Mexican Army Incursions Into The United States

The Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus ^

[Happy2BMe]

Incursions

During his travels along the border, Rep. Tancredo learned that the Mexican Army and Law Enforcement Agencies routinely make "incursions" into the U.S. A total of 23 were confirmed by the U.S. government in 2001, and there have been over 115 since 1996. The purpose of these incursions is not totally understood, but U.S. officials have speculated that they are designed to help facilitate the flow of illegal drugs into America, either by creating a diversion or by providing cover for the traffickers.

When Rep. Tancredo sent a letter to the Mexican government, the Embassy in Washington, DC sent a curt response to his inquiry, implying that the troops were merely getting lost. Not a single U.S. law enforcement agent on the ground in the southwest has agreed with that explanation.

Rep. Tancredo’s office has begun documenting new incursions as they take place. Most recently, two disturbing incursions have taken place. On May 17^th, a Mexican Army unit led an incursion near Ajo, Arizona that ended with a shot being fired at a Border Patrol Agent. The agent was not hurt, but had two of his vehicle’s windows shot out. On June 14^th, the Mexican Army opened fire (with high-powered .308 rifles) on a vehicle with 20 people packed into it. Six of the passengers were injured, two critically.

Despite Rep. Tancredo’s efforts to draw attention to them, each incident received only spotty coverage. You can read the accounts of each incident by following these links:

May 17^th Incursion:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020513-27549872.htm http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020523-865103.htm

June 14^th Incursion:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020615-91529269.htm

The issue of incursions needs to be confronted by the U.S. government before a catastrophic incident involving the loss of life occurs. If you have specific information about an incursion by Mexican military or law enforcement, please contact Rep. Tancredo’s office at (202) 225-7882 or tom.tancredo@mail.house.gov. You will remain anonymous.

[winker]

Moving target practice for Texan Patriots!

[Ditter]

The border is poorly marked in New Mexico & probably California too, (I haven't been along the CA border). Texas has the Rio Grande River but that doesn't stop them.

[eskimo]

It's worth noting that the border is extremely poorly marked in eastern Arizona.

No it is not. Even some of the most poorly equipped military units on the planet have GPS gear. That is some unbelievably feeble defense of this nonsense.

[mvpel]

If it's foreign military making these incursions, doesn't that then invoke the Constitution's requirement that the Federal government protect the states from invasion, and avoid the whole Posse Comitatus issue?

[Beck_isright]

"What proof of this supposed action by Mexican military do you have?"

Obviously you watch CNN. O'Reilly has documented and interviewed the Border Patrol reports of their SUV's being shot up with .50 caliber from the Mexican military. Leave Paula Zahn alone and start paying attention...

[G.Mason]

"The eyewitness accounts of whole passel of PO'd ranchers and Border Patrol agents. I suppose you'd like to call them all liars?"

Got a bug up your butt, don't take it out on me.

I simply asked for proof.

Not some "passel" of errant Mexicali coppers, but the Mexican military invading our soverign soil.

I don't support any foreigners illegally entering this country, and would suggest if Mexican troops or cops enter they should be shot on the spot.

Again I ask to see prooof of this. So far it has not been evidenced.

[G.Mason]

"Talk to any border patrol agent. Even the illegals themselves will tell you there are Mexican military up to something along the border."

Well, that's all the proof I need.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[JackelopeBreeder]

Try this link as a starting point. I believe there are also some articles here on FR.

[FITZ]

Have you ever once talked with a border patrol agent who works along the Mexican border? You'd be surprised. Unless you think they're all liars.

[G.Mason]

Proof? The following is posted on the NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL: AMERICAN FEDERATION OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES site: Border Patrol encounters Mexican soldiers Heavily armed foreign troopers on U.S. turf near Tecate U.S. agents are fired on at border Mexico officers released after crossing border Shootout is narrowly averted in Nogales City officers, soldiers from Mexico face off for one tense moment =======================================================================

None of this suggests we have been invaded by Mexican military.

In the "tunnels"?

Possibly Mexican troops?

Look, I'm not downplaying the seriousness of the immigration problem.

What I am saying is that if the Mexican military sets foot on American soil, without express approval by the government of the United States, we have an invasion.

They should be shot and killed.

[FITZ]

What I am saying is that if the Mexican military sets foot on American soil, without express approval by the government of the United States, we have an invasion.

They've done that --- but if you saw the border you'd see how they could do that inadvertantly or in hot pursuit. In some areas there isn't much that tells you exactly where the border is. I used to ride my horse back and forth over the border until that area became very dangerous, there were areas where it was nothing more than a barbed wire laying on the ground and I think much of it is still like that.

[G.Mason]

"Have you ever once talked with a border patrol agent who works along the Mexican border? You'd be surprised. Unless you think they're all liars."

You can skirt the issue of "proof" all you want. I does not make it a fact that the Mexican military has "invaded" the United States.

I ask for documentation, not hearsay.

[G.Mason]

"Try this link as a starting point. I believe there are also some articles here on FR."

I made no allegation the Mexican Army invaded the U.S..

I need no "staring" point.

[G.Mason]

"Try this link as a starting point. I believe there are also some articles here on FR."

I made no allegation the Mexican Army invaded the U.S..

I need no "starting" point.

[Viking2002]

And from what I've been able to observe, it won't be solidly evidenced until - and you're right - one of them is shot on the spot and it's put on the 6 O'Clock News, because it sure as hell doesn't seem like Washington has too much concern over it.

[JimRed]

"There's no question in my mind that some of them take these documents knowing full well that they are fraudulent," Suthers said.

And just how are they supposed to know that the documents are phony? The bearer is nervous, perhaps, or "sneaky looking"?

A registration system with an on-line database for employer reference would remove all doubt about the legal status of an individual with a certain name, birthdate and place of origin, but how do you know the person in front of you is the same one in the papers?.

We can't require small business owners to get fingerprint or retina scanners, digital cameras with facial recognition software or DNA testing equipment.

And a chip implant in the legal workers would really raise a stink!

[FITZ]

Others have given you that --- go back and reread the article from the El Paso Times by Diana Washington Valdez --- someone posted the link for that.

[FITZ]

"The U.S. attorney's office in El Paso will not prosecute the Mexican police officers who crossed the border illegally Sunday at Fabens while chasing a suspect, Assistant U.S. Attorney Sam Ponder said Monday.
The officers were turned over to Mexican officials Sunday night, and their seized vehicle and weapons were returned Monday, U.S. officials said.
"These things do happen ... we don't want them to happen," Ponder said. "Americans (in law enforcement) have been released to us by Mexico before, and we want to continue getting them released. They (Mexican authorities) could also prosecute our people when this happens. It's a two-way street."

March 14 of this year, two Humvees loaded with Mexican soldiers crossed the border illegally near the Sunland Park landfill and chased Border Patrol agents patrolling the area.
Some Mexican soldiers allegedly fired shots at Border Patrol agents before fleeing back to Mexico. Other soldiers were detained and released later by U.S. officials.
A U.S. investigation into that incursion continues.

[Zipporah]

I agree.. it is an invasion. Apparently the Border Guards have been shot upon and it's not being reported in the mainstream press. I understand why you are dubious. It sounds incredible but I've learned since I've been on the journey of research re the immigration issue, that the possibility of Mexican soldiers crossing the border is far from fantasty.

[Zipporah]

Good question but how do we know anyone's documents are phony? And what does it matter if the use of the matricular consular is acceptable? They have created a monster and it's running amuck.