[Destro]

So it seems heterosexuals have given up on traditional marriage and homosexuals have embraced the concept? The gay fools!

Howard Stern of all people explains it best. Marriage in the Western world has become a legalistic and expensive institution. Men will not increasingly accept the inequities of the marriage contract and the potential crippiling divorce built into the system. Would you sign a business contract with clauses that resembled a wedding contract's clauses? No man would.

[Destro]

So it seems heterosexuals have given up on traditional marriage and homosexuals have embraced the concept? The gay fools!

Howard Stern of all people explains it best. Marriage in the Western world has become a legalistic and expensive institution. Men will not increasingly accept the inequities of the marriage contract and the potential crippiling divorce built into the system. Would you sign a business contract with clauses that resembled a wedding contract's clauses? No man would.

PS: I should also add that with sex easily available now plus the crippling cost to a working man that marriage entails also means that marriage becomes a less attractive alternative for the Western world.

[Paleo Conservative]

This is a temporary situation. as birthrates among the native Scandinavians plummet, birthrates among Muslim immigrants remain high. Furthermore, they don't follow the Scandinavian examples of having children outside of marriage. In a few decades, Muslims will be the majority in Scandinavia and will vote to impose the Sharia. Those Scandiavians who are still practicing Christians will have dhimmitude force onto them. Those who are non-believers will face worth. Demographics + "one man one vote" ain't life a bitch.

[Cacique]

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[Doctor Stochastic]

The author seems to have overlooked Iceland's experience.

[longtermmemmory]

The whole center of the Mass opinion is to remove marriage from parenthood. The judge who wrote the opinion has long wanted to seperate children from marriage in order to justify marriage as a sanction of sex partners only.

The US has to adopt the Federal Marriage Amendment in order to draw the line.

Given time it will be a crime for mothers and fathers to teach their chidlren that homosexuality is morally wrong.

[little jeremiah]

A very interesting but LOOOONG read - I couldn't manage all of it tonight. Bookmarked for further study. BTW, about (maybe) one third of the way down one or two (?) paragraphs are repeated...


Homosexual Agenda Ping! I thought we were done for tonight, but it was not so. (It will be the last one tonight, I promise!)

A VERY long but extremely interesting read. Thorough research showing that "gay" marriage does indeed harm actual marriage, but is also a symptom of the already broken family and marriage situation. Also evidence that "gay" activists really don't give a flying etc about monogamy or marriage; it's a political ploy to normalize same sex sodomy and destroy morality.

Let me know if you want either (a) ON or (b) OFF this highly infuriating and informative ping list.

[ChiMark]

Do we need to study the effects of secularism by studying Sweden? Look at what the liberals have done to the black family in the U.S. Note the paragraph stating the increase of death among boys in single mnother families. The sophisto's have often used scandanavian countries as a hallmark of secular humanism experimentation. And now those countries continue to shrink in influence and population. The barbarians have come but the Swede is too weak, apathetic or drugged out to give a hoot.

[fish hawk]

how many of you really read this whole article all the way through? Skoal

[RLK]

The trend is that men and women like sex, but they don't like each other. This results in eschewing commitment and out of wedlock children.

[litany_of_lies]

This is not what proponents of the conservative case for gay marriage had in mind. In Norway, gay marriage has given ammunition to those who wish to put an end to marriage.

The day appears to be coming when those who aren't married but have children are openly hostile to those who are. The whole "social stigma" thing will get turned on its head. Based on the positions and conduct of some of the shrinks and bureaucrats cited in the article, you see that beginning to happen in Scandanavia already.

It may seem impossible now, but I see legislative and bureaucratic barriers to marriage increasing. Perhaps the idea of married filing jointly goes away (all tax returns are individual), which in an ideal world might be conceptually OK, but would be the product of a crusade (funny word) against marriage.

I see Social Services zealots going after married families and taking their kids away for teaching Christianity, and that homosexuality is wrong,etc. (that's already happening to a limited extent today). It could get to the point where people who believe in the institution would have to start marrying in secret to protect themselves.

Overall, this article is VERY important. Out-of-wedlock birth rates in Scandanavia are up there with American inner cities. We're instinctively not OK with 70%-plus out-of-wedlock rates; in Scandanavia, it's ho-hum. Acceptance of gay marriage appears to have tipped the balance there, and it probably would do so here too.

[Cindy]

JESUS DEFINES MARRIAGE: "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore, they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." -from THE BIBLE: Matthew 19:4-6

International Healing Foundation

[Siamese Princess]

This is an excellent article, though not flawless. I think that he underestimates the destructive social effects of both no-fault divorce and cohabitation.

[foreverfree]

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[July 4th]

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[independentmind]

Bump for a long but good article.

[reg45]

You can't divorce without first getting married.

Therefore, marriage is the primary cause of divorce.

I used to analogize it by saying that birth is the primary cause of death, but today you can die (be aborted) without being born!

[Dajjal]

Decline of Civilization ping

[xm177e2]

A majority of children in Sweden and Norway are born out of wedlock. Sixty percent of first-born children in Denmark have unmarried parents. Not coincidentally, these countries have had something close to full gay marriage for a decade or more. Same-sex marriage has locked in and reinforced an existing Scandinavian trend toward the separation of marriage and parenthood.

In order to believe that gay marriage would be harmful to marriage in general (and as a familial institution), one would have to believe that the heterosexual practicioners of the custom were swayed by what homosexuals did. If a gay guy gets married, are you less likely to? Are you less likely to have a child in wedlock because some gay people are getting married? If so, you're an idiot!

[nickcarraway]

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