Bush Immigrant Plan Likely to Fail (Y'all are getting hot and bothered over nothing!)

The Courier News [Elgin, IL] ^ | January 23, 2004 | Daniel Duggan

[quidnunc]

Hastert visits Elgin: U.S. House speaker talks on immigration, energy, politics issues

Elgin – Several weeks ago, President George W. Bush rolled out a program to grant temporary work permits to undocumented immigrants.

But before the program can proceed, it needs to pass Congress — which probably won't happen, U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert told The Courier News Editorial Board on Thursday.

"I don't think there's support to get that through Congress," the Yorkville Republican said. "But I think this is a chance to start a debate."

Hastert acknowledged that immigration problems are growing in the Fox Valley, and with large immigrant populations in Elgin and Aurora, many family members are moving to the area from their home countries. He stressed that there should be a program for people to come to the United States, work for a few years and be able to go home.

With agricultural and factory jobs across Illinois being filled by immigrant workers, Hastert stressed that they are "doing important work."

"And they shouldn't be forced to stay here and hide," he said.

But Hastert puts his foot down when asked if undocumented immigrants already in the country should be given amnesty, rather than proceed through the existing citizenship process.

"If you put amnesty in there, you short-circuit the system," he said. "You can't change the rules and amnesty changes the rules."

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[quidnunc]

Sabertooth wrote:

If fair use didn't apply to FR, why didn't the judge rule it didn't? The fact that there was a settlement cuts both ways.

Because there was a settlement before it went to trial.

I'm not going to argue the matter with you any more.

If you see a thread started by me you will know that in must cases it will be an exerpt with a link, so caveat lector.

[keri]

And just how do you propose rounding up and deporting 8-10 million people who don't want to be found?

And just how do you propose rounding up and registering 8-10 people who don't want to be found?

[Sabertooth]

Because there was a settlement before it went to trial.

Understand something: both sides settled.

Your excerpts are a pain. What's your objection to proclaiming that you think you know better than every other poster here about how fair use applies, and putting "another excerpt by quidnunc" in the headline?

How many times have other posters had to follow through for you and post the article in it's entirety on your threads, because you've been too precious to do it yourself?

Have you ever seen any of them called on it by the FR PTBs?

[arm958]

What part of "it ain't gonna happen" do you not understand?

Relax sinkspur, we all know it's not going to happen. Our problem is that amnesty is even on the table for discussion. The debate should be about the best way to toss illegals out of our country.

[quidnunc]

Sabertooth wrote: How many times have other posters had to follow through for you and post the article in it's entirety on your threads…

Never.

If they did that it's because they wanted to, not because they had to.

Sabertooth wrote: Understand something: both sides settled.

You understand something; if someone has to fly back and forth between the Midwest and California and hire a lawyer because they've been named as a party to a federal lawsuit then it's not going to be me if I have any say-so.

And this is what will be required regardless of the eventual outcome of the suit.

The expenses would be ruinous.

I'm not going to be bankrupted just so you don't have to open a few links here and there.

[Destro]

So this president bluffs for political gain? And when called on such a bluff like CFR? Why he signs it into law of course. And we hated Clinton's manipulative games - tsk - tsk.

[Destro]

You sre not brilliant enough to understand stratergery.

[MissAmericanPie]

Will you eat your words if he gets the FTAA treaty through?

[tracer]

I agree. From one of my recent posts:

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My Fourth Prediction for 2004:

Bush and Fox are working out a deal involving Mexican ("it's all about") oil and a creative solution to our immigration/poverty problem -- that has as a juicy bonus a "tar baby" trap that will cause the the Dumbokrats to tumble into "de ole briar patch" as represented by a permanent loss of the heretofore robotic support of what is now America's largest minority constituent group.

Prediction Five:

I haven't quite figured out when the resultant Afro-Hispanic War will begin, but begin it will and will be a sight to behold.

Prediction Seven:

The Saudis and their Arabic fellow travellers (therefore) soon will attempt to be very chummy with that old infidel Uncle Sam, who will have the resources to protect from al Qaeda and Associates only the oil fields of Iraq and Kuwait, our soon-to-be sister nations that will serve as the base of operations for the "stabilization" of the Middle East.

Prediction Eight:

The US will through the Saudis to the al Qaeda wolves. Said wolves will exterminate the "worldly, secular infidels" that make up the Saudi royal family, put that nation in the firm grip of Islamofascism, trash their oil fields in a show of bravado, and will never be allowed to redevelop them (they will be drained from under the sands via natural connections between oil deposits.

Prediction Nine:

Having killed the "goose that laid the golden egg," al Qaeda and other terrorist groups will (a) see their funding and geopolitical support dry up and blow away amid the desert winds.

Prediction Ten:

Al Qaeda and their fellow travelers (Hamas, PLA, etc.) will be hunted down and killed like the dogs that they are -- by the US and its new allies in the Middle East and in what will be a European continent that already is seeing and feeling the beginnings of their strangulation by rabid subsets within the "Religion of Peace."

And the world will be a better place for many decades to come -- all because of the genius of a Republican US administration run by "naive and ignorant cowboys who care only about oil and other manifestations of Big Business"..... 102 posted on 01/15/2004 9:49:07 AM PST by tracer

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So you see, dear readers, the Bush "imigration reform" plan is merely the keystone card in what history will show to have been a most brilliant house of cards that will tumble in a controlled manner and will put an end to some of the most dangerous and perplexing problems our Nation continues to face at this point in time...

[txdoda]

You sre not brilliant enough to understand stratergery.>>>>>

LOL......Yeah, look how good this same *brilliant strategy" worked for Davis in CA. Didn't Davis 'pander' & 'promise' the illegals ??

The results *I believe*, changed the NAME & the PARTY of the Governor of CA.

(perhaps GWB & his 'handlers' haven't heard thos news YET)

[Destro]

Bush doesn't read the papers so he may not have....

[judgeandjury]

And just how do you propose rounding up and deporting 8-10 million people who don't want to be found?

If we could cut illegal aliens off from everything that attracted them here in the first place (jobs, taxpayer funded freebies, etc.) they'd have no reason to stay here. Of course, saying it is one thing and being able to implement it is something else altogether.

[Lancey Howard]

I was one of those who said that CFR was a farce that would ultimately and easily be shot down by the Supreme Court, quickly and with a disgusted smirk. Even had I known about O'Connor's rapid mental deterioration I would not have been concerned because I figured that even the liberal scumbag contingent of the Supreme Court would laugh CFR (or at least most of it) right out of court.

Boy, was I ever wrong.

And so, I no longer take any of this stuff for granted. Anything can happen, and when it is something that threatens to undercut traditional America and its families, it usually does.

[Once-Ler]

I guess 40 more years out of power is what it will take to get a wake up call.

It is rare when the right fringe admits that what they desire is 40 more years of Democrat rule.

"Fool me" - Beck_isr*ght - post 7

[sinkspur]

The debate should be about the best way to toss illegals out of our country.

That ain't gonna happen, either.

[mac_truck]

So this president bluffs for political gain? And when called on such a bluff like CFR? Why he signs it into law of course.

I'm not sure I understand your point.

Bush relied on the USSC rather than his own veto power to take care of CFR. Whether he was phony or sincere about it is irrelevant to the outcome, which is an infringement on our first amendment rights.

Are you now suggesting something different happened with CFR, or just that no one's supposed to mention what happened with CFR in relation to the Mexican guest worker program?

[Destro]

I was talking about how so called Bushbots-those that defend Bush's mistakes or anti-conservative actions by inventing absured machiovellian schemes to explain it. Conservatices are against CFR. Bush was for it. This presented a problem for his Bushbot supporters because CFR is anti-conservative. So they invent the scheme as to Bush signing CFR as part of his "stratergery" because he knows the fix is in with the Supreme Court and they will overturn it. Thus Bush takes credit for signing CFR and taking an issue away from the Dems and keeps the conservative base happy because the law was overturned. OOPS!

We see this again with these Maoist like Bushbots who remind me of Mao's little book waving zombies during China's cultrual revolution.

This time to explain away the Bush stupidity they invent the scheme that brilliant Bush only proposed illegal alien amnesty because he knows -the fix is in- stratergery - he did it to fool Fox - the congress will not pass it. Until the congress does pass it and then what?

[Ohioan]

Changing the party names would be only symbolic, of course, but it would at least make clear why "liberalism" and Political Correctness advances no matter which party wins.

Your post was amusing--with a great deal of truth. But the advance of "liberalism," etc., can be stopped, if we do not allow either party to play these cynical games without challenge.

If the politicians will not be consistent to their oaths and claimed principles, we need to keep the spotlight on them. When you compromise truth, you destroy your own credibility, and severely damage your ability to ever accomplish much of anything. If you are even moderately conservative, the Leftist Professors on the campuses of America will drown you in ridicule over those inconsistencies.

Whether or not Bush gets his amnesty bill through is only a small part of the immigration issue. The border is still not being defended. He still refuses to speak out for the preservation of our character as a people. (How can a Texan, even only an adopted Texan, be blind to the profound ethnic and cultural issue involved. In World War II, we "remembered Pearl Harbor, as we did the Alamo." Do you think we will be able to do that again, if 20% or more of the population, thinks that the sacrifice at the Alamo was about stealing Mexican land.

Before I consider supporting Bush again, he is going to need to speak out very forcefully for maintaining the heritage of the Founding Fathers. And if that means offending some people with thin skins, that is too bad; because without that commitment, he is going to go on appeasing voting blocs, no matter what the effect on the future of our heritage. (See Destroying Cultural Continuity--The Leftwing War On Social Cohesion.)

William Flax

[Sabertooth]

Problem is, your good points get lost in your rhetoric, and you end up preaching to the choir.

On "Bushbots" and "Bushbashers"

[Destro]

Bashing bush would be when you boash for no reason. Botting would be when you defens on no ground.