Why You Should Support Bush's Immigration Proposal

GOPUSA ^ | 01.23.04 | J. Max Wilson

[Beck_isright]

There you go gang. The party line. Fixing the problem via pacification.

[Beck_isright]

Ping....barf....ping.....barf....

[swarthyguy]

>>they have missed the subtle brilliance of his approach

Those opposed to this proposal are just too damned stooopid.

Basically, that's the long and short of it.

Maybe if you start calling it an AMNESTY for Employers of illegals......

Man. this crowd really needs to start reading Dale Carnegie again.

[Missouri]

Bump and Ping.

[Jmouse007]

Sorry, this is not going to wash with the Republican base no matter what the "party line" may be!

The GOP Had darned well better oppose the Presidents so-called "Guest Worker plan", State of the Union push or no because it is going to hurt the President, his re-election, the Republican Party and the country. I am sure the president is loosing millions of dollars and many votes over this. His poll numbers took a big hit regarding support this past week and it is no wonder why, this is an insane proposal and provides NO homeland security at all.

I received a call after he made his announcement from the RNC asking for money, we have supported the president, his father and Bob Dole's bid and worked for the RNC candidate for the last two elections here in New Hampshire. My response to their call for money: "Let the President get the money from the ILLEGAL immigrants". I then blasted them over this ridiculous policy along with the President (and the "Republican" Parties) unwillingness to genuinely fight for the President's judicial nominees. As long as they subscribe to "gentlemen’s filibusters" instead of the real thing, and illegals over American citizens, they will not get a dime from us. I am sure we are just a sample of the conservative base and others within the Republican Party who have had it. I am tired of having our voting block taken for granted.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for President Bush and pray for him daily, but I can not support policies that are going bankrupt America and to enslave our sons and daughters along with all future generations of Americans to support illegal immigrants, with free jobs, free health care, free college tuition and social security bennies after 18 months all so that he can make kissy points with Vincene Fox, and the Hispanic population here and in South America.

Our oldest son incurred a debt of $40k and our youngest will end up owing over $60k just to pay for his college education, and I do not know about you but we have to PAY for the healthcare we receive and if we do not have it, we have to get it. There are no free rides for Americans but for illegals...cue the music: "everything free in America... ok by me in America".

Our oldest son just graduated last year and is working as a computer programmer... his job is in jeopardy of being "outsourced" to a third world hell hole where people subsist on slave wages, but hey it is America and according to the president foreigners are being given the jobs that "Americans do not want to do".

The president may get 4 more years with such a ploy, but American CITIZENS/taxpayers and future generations of us will be paying for it the rest of our lives... FOREVER because once "entitlements" are established, they are NEVER rescinded, .... NEVER! I, and multitudes of other sane Republicans cannot and will not be a party to this.

Nothing he said tonight in the State of the Union Address in anyway changes my view of his overall "plan". It is bad for America, bad for our families, bad for our economy and bad for our national security.

Like I said, let the President and the RNC get the money for his reelection from Vincente Fox and the illegals, because they will not get it from us.

One more thing before I end, with American companies outsourcing high-tech jobs to India, China, etc... to asve a buck. What makes anyone in America believe, given the opportunity these same companies will turn around, lower the wages they are have been paying to hard working Americans by half and then offer those slave-wage jobs that "Americans are unwilling to take" to illegal aliens, opps my bad I meant to say "Guest Workers" who will be more than happy to slave, then take the money out of the country back to whatever third world hole they come from?

326 posted on 01/20/2004 9:57:49 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Tired of the Powell doctrine)

[raybbr]

As these articles demonstrate, a significant portion of crime in our big cities is perpetuated by illegal immigrants. But, as you can also see from David Kelly's article, the victims of these crimes are often also illegal immigrants. This creates a disastrous situation because victims of these and other crimes will not report them for fear of being deported. Vast numbers of illegal immigrants suffer severe abuse, extortion, and virtual slavery at the hands of organized crime and cannot report it for fear of deportation. So the crimes go unreported and the criminals unstopped.

Yup! Right after the Bush amnesty goes into effect all those criminals are just going to turn themselves in so that we know who to go after when they commit a crime. Geeez. This is so ridiculous it makes sense. Aw rats! I'm all confused now.

[B4Ranch]

Keep posting logical stuff and nobody will reply to you. Knock the economics knowledge level down about six points to stay in the game.

[Consort]

No problem. Here's a quick fix while they work out a better one.

Maintain the bottom line number of immigrants entering the US:
Decrease the number of legal immigrants by subtracting the estimated number of illegal immigrants annually. The bottom line is maintained. Both political parties can agree.

Amnesties can be handled in the same way at no increase in the size/cost of government:
If ten million illegal immigrants are given amnesty, decrease legal immigration across the board by ten million. Potential immigrants from France, Somolia, Paraguay, Holland, Zimbabwe, Lapland, Russia, etc will have to wait longer or miss out. The affected countries can argue it out with the offending countries with little or no US involvement. Both parties can agree. Lawyers may be big losers.

Border control:
Effective border control will seriously reduce illegal immigration and minimize the need for future amnesties. Any additional costs incurred may offset by implementing the above mentioned measures.

[FITZ]

At best this article is extremely naive. If organized crime is behind this ---- how does issuing blue cards which can be forged and sold and stolen address that problem? If they can't stop the organized criminals now --- nothing changes --- they're still out there.

Also there just won't be enough legal jobs for all those in Mexico who would want them. Our economy isn't adding 3 million jobs a year.

[JOAT]

Pathetic. If crime is the "REAL" problem amnesty supposedly addresses, why not close up the porous border and deport the criminals?

Obviously the over riding concern is not crime. We could easily close the supposedly porous border is we had the cojones. No, the real reason for amnesty is to ensure a continuous supply of cheap labor and demonRat future voters.

Besides that, we're all gonna be one big happy Familia soon, when the borders get erased.

¡El problema resolvió!

[bigeggo]

If only Bush had explained it so well.

I have given $ to GOP in obvious losing causes (and FR, hopefully not such a cause)but not until they become other than Rinos will they see another penny or another vote.

Really, what's the difference.

[stevie_d_64]

You know looking at this article brings a few colorful thoughts to mind...

The one that stands out the most...

Zero-Tolerance

If that policy is good fer the children, then its got to be good to apply to this issue...

I am still not convinced that the direction presented by President Bush is the best course...I think that whatever it is, it is an election year ploy/strategy...And not that that is a bad thing, I just think its another feeble attempt by our government to poorly implement a policy that will not work, and will become more of a burden on those having to enforce it...

So if the banditos are jacking up shipments of illegals on our highways, on our side of the border, we obviously are continuing to fail in the laws that ARE on the books that need to be enforced...

I'll probably have more later, but I got dinner on the table now...BRB

Later,
Steve

[Ohioan]

This article does not offer one reason for the President's program which would not be better served by the much tougher approach that most of us advocate. Closing the border to all immigration, but a small alotment for people with exceptional skills and credentials, and shipping every illegal back, when captured, would meet every rational argument the writer has.

As for his concern that such an approach would convince the Left that we are "racists?" In that he simply mirrors the Leftist hissing approach. Throughout my lifetime, they have hissed their litany of insults, "racist," "nativist," "bigot," "xenophobe," etc., every time any one questions one of their programs or ideas on the subject of race or ethnicity, for which they have no rational argument. We need to stop letting slogan hurling demagogues and bullies intimidate us. If we don't stop being intimidated by the hissing approach, we are going to lose our heritage. (And see How To Recognize The Bigot In The Argument, as well as Immigration & The American Future.)

William Flax

[Poohbah]

Until 1965, we had a guest worker program. It was killed by the Johnson Administration to pay off the AFL-CIO.

Until 1965, we had a very small illegal immigration problem. After 1965, we had a HUGE illegal immigration problem.

I submit that the two are a study in cause and effect.

[Zipporah]

Barf is right. I see no mention of the Atzlan revolutionaries in this piece. I called the RNC and told them I, as a Republican, feel that the party has "stabbed Americans in the back" with their support of this proposal.

[Zipporah]

" If crime is the "REAL" problem amnesty supposedly addresses, why not close up the porous border and deport the criminals?".. Are you saying common sense should be used? Gosh what the heck is wrong with you??

[Iscool]

This is some serious wishful thinking on someone's part...Nice try though...

[skeeter]

True, we could adapt GW's stunningly clever & complex plan

...or we could fall back on plan B (which worked well enough for decades) ENFORCE THE FRIGGEN LAWS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.

Geez luise, they really think we're that stupid.

[Beck_isright]

"Our economy isn't adding 3 million jobs a year."

No, but the Indian and Chinese economies are.

[Beck_isright]

Katherine Harris' campaign called me Wednesday night. I replied that perhaps the illegals have more benefits than I do as an American and could perhaps share them with her campaign. The young man hung up on me.