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Bush's [SOTU] speech was impressive
Salisbury (MD) Daily Times ^ | 1/22/04 | Daily Times editorial board

Posted on 01/22/2004 6:28:21 PM PST by foreverfree

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:03:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The president made many valid points as he went on the offensive in this final State of the Union speech of his first term in office. He defended his policies and decisions, including the right of the United States to defend itself.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gwb; potus; praise; sotu
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To: Hoverbug
So, are there only two realistic choices in this presidential debate, the dem and the pub?

Of course. Or, do you contend there is a third party who could beat either dem or Repub?

Hey, you made your bed in the CA election. You ought to keep quiet about amnesty. If you voted for Arnie and shut up about amnesty then, keep quiet now and vote for W.

I've tried to explain it to you in terms I'm sure a 5th grader could understand. If you still don't get it, fine. But I'll hardly keep quiet on the issue, especilly when some imp like you tells me to.

Have a nice comfy sleep.

Enjoy your kool-aid.

61 posted on 01/22/2004 9:22:28 PM PST by South40 (My vote helped defeat cruz bustamante; did yours?)
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To: South40
Did you read the thread I got suspended on at all???

Hb
62 posted on 01/22/2004 9:24:01 PM PST by Hoverbug
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To: South40
My Kool-aid??

LMAO!!!!

Hb
63 posted on 01/22/2004 9:24:50 PM PST by Hoverbug
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To: South40
You weren't very vocal on the issue of amnesty during the Arnie threads.

What happened?

Hb
64 posted on 01/22/2004 9:26:05 PM PST by Hoverbug
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To: Hoverbug
You weren't very vocal on the issue of amnesty during the Arnie threads. What happened?

It wasn't an issue. Amnesty has to come from the federal government, not the state.

Let me explain it further...since you obviously lack what it takes to comprehend.

Arnold has no power to make amnesty happen. Even if he did, he'd still have been a better choice that bustamechA.

65 posted on 01/22/2004 9:30:18 PM PST by South40 (My vote helped defeat cruz bustamante; did yours?)
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To: South40
Well, go vote for Bush and be quiet like a good boy. You're going to vote for him even if he doesn't change his mind.

Complaining about it isn't productive if the outcome doesn't affect your vote.

After all, where else you gonna go? You'll accept amnesty if that's what Bush wants.

Hey, have ya noticed any of your friends from the Arnie threads jumping on ya here about your posts?

Did anyone here but me call you a Bush-hater?

Are ya seeing the light yet bunkie?

Hb
66 posted on 01/22/2004 9:39:06 PM PST by Hoverbug
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To: South40
It wasn't an issue. Amnesty has to come from the federal government, not the state.

Remind me. How long after the test run of Arnold being voted in after saying he was "not for amnesty but for legalizing all the illegals" did Bush announce his "not amnesty" amnesty? Thanks for your efforts in the CA election. Hb

67 posted on 01/22/2004 9:45:29 PM PST by Hoverbug
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To: rllngrk33
"I'd like to Bush sign an Executive Order Directing the Armend force to patrol the border with Mexico."

I keep hearing this patrol-the-border mantra, as if that would be the ultimate solution to the illegal immigration problem.

However, I remember reading on the INS site (am looking for the link as we speak) that 2/3 of illegal immigrants to this country simply overstay their visas.

Do we stop allowing people from other countries into America as tourists, or to do business?

That would be the only way to stop all illegal immigration.

Think about it. If you are in Mexico and want to come to the U.S., what's from stopping you from saving a few pesos and getting a tourist visa?

Really, I despise illegal immigration as much if not more than the next person, but patrolling the borders with our military is not THE answer. Yes, it might help slightly, but those desparate enough to get here would simply come as tourists, I believe.

68 posted on 01/22/2004 9:47:50 PM PST by Edit35
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To: Hoverbug
Your last post makes absolutely no sense. Not that any of your others did. Am I supposed to care what anyone from the "Arnie threads" thinks? Obviosuly I don't. I think for myself. I always have.

I'm opposed to Bush's amnesty for ILLEGALS proposal and I'm going to continue voicing my objections regardless what you or any other Bush-bot thinks about it. If you you've got anything of value to say, by all means please do. Otherwise I'm going to start ignoring your imbecilic rants.

69 posted on 01/22/2004 9:47:53 PM PST by South40 (My vote helped defeat cruz bustamante; did yours?)
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To: South40; Sabertooth
"I'm just one of majority of FReepers and Americans who think there is something that can be done other than raising the white flag"

Have you seen the Polling on this issue? It ranks almost dead last on the list of concerns the majority of Americans worry about.

Most people do not consider illegal aliens who cross our borders to find work as a major threat to this country. They think it should be addressed, but I can guarantee you that any attempt to deploy the national guard or deploy U.S. Soldiers on the border will be met with outrage and feed the fears of the liberals that think Adolph Hitler has risen from the grave and is now George W. Bush.

I see no other way to address this problem, than to find a way to encourage the illegals already here, to come clean and be held to account for violating our immigration laws in some way or fashion, I really don't care how it's worded or implemented, but I think the so called "registration fee" of $1,500.00 is a pretty stiff fine for someone who picks Soy Beans or cleans Hotel rooms that very few of us lazy Americans are anxious to do.

FReeper "Sabertooth" has some very good ideas on addressing this problem, and all I would like to see is some kind of discourse that would encourage those who feel the most passionate about this issue, to focus their frustrations on the legislators who President Bush has asked to FINALLY address this important issue that threatens the safety and security of this country and each and every one of us. But guest workers or illegal aliens who come here to work are not what threatens our safety, it's the terrorist who would retain the services of the hundreds of Coyote's who offer their services to smuggle them across the border to the highest bidder.

IMHO this should be a matter for the States to deal with, and if you compare the way Texas deals with this issue to how California deals with it, You will see that California has failed in it's duty to protect it's borders. When liberal swines like Grey Davis has the political strength to push through a Bill that rewards illegals with a drivers license in a clear attempt to pander for votes is who we should hold accountable.

After three years, our borders are more secure, but that doesn't address the fact that illegals don't wait in line at the check points, they cross in the middle of the night for an opportunity to provide for their families and bypass that cluster*uck Gov't. Organization known as the INS

70 posted on 01/22/2004 9:50:44 PM PST by MJY1288 (WITHOUT DOUBLE STANDARDS, LIBERALS WOULDN'T HAVE ANY !)
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To: South40
Bush-bots? Bush-bots???

That's awfully harsh!!!!!!!!!!

Weren't you offended when you were called an "Arnie-bot"????

Take a look on your other foot and see if you see a shoe.

This is why you don't compromise your vote for the lesser of two evils, just like a lot of people tried to tell you.

You've sown the crop. Enjoy it.

Hb

71 posted on 01/22/2004 9:56:06 PM PST by Hoverbug
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To: South40
A steaming pile of caca.
72 posted on 01/22/2004 10:19:58 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
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To: MJY1288; South40
Why yes MJY! It's a State issue!

I'm glad you understand it, unlike the others here at FR.

South40 seems to think that the governor and the State have nothing to do with immigration and it's a federal issue. People like him can be so misguided.

Luckily, we voted in Arnold, who wanted visas for illegal aliens. Is that why you liked Arnold too?

After all, the only people who care about illegal aliens are racist (probably) and Border Patrol Agents.

Hb

73 posted on 01/22/2004 10:38:40 PM PST by Hoverbug
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To: Hoverbug
Ease up bud, If I lived in California I would have voted for who ever could defeat Grey Davis, I would have waited for the very last Poll results to come in, and vote for whoever was leading in the Polls that opposed that spineless worm. A large part of this problem can be blamed on California, and not the Federal Government. I remember all too well how California begged for assistance from the federal Govt and after they got the help, they took the federal Tax Dollars and deposited them into the general account and diverted the funds to pay for more social entitlements.

The States have always blamed all their problems on the Federal government and the federal Representatives of those states continually earmark millions of Federal tax money in their feeble attempt to avoid addressing this problem.

I believe it's the responsibility of each state to enforce the laws that apply to our Borders. I firmly believe that the reason why the federal Government has been forced to get involved in things like education and agriculture issues that our founding Fathers declared as the number one priority and responsibility for the States to deal with.

This problem is a direct result of Governors who failed to address this problem on the State Level and simply kicked the can down the road as they lobbied their U.S. Senate and House leaders to load an important piece of legislation with pork that would shelter these governors from the scrutiny of those who elected them.

74 posted on 01/22/2004 10:39:07 PM PST by MJY1288 (WITHOUT DOUBLE STANDARDS, LIBERALS WOULDN'T HAVE ANY !)
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To: MJY1288; South40
I believe it's the responsibility of each state to enforce the laws that apply to our Borders.

I firmly believe that the reason why the federal Government has been forced to get involved in things like education and agriculture issues that our founding Fathers declared as the number one priority and responsibility for the States to deal with.

I mean Dude!!!! You d'man! How can I argue with you?!?

The protection of the national border is the State's responsibility, and education should be handled by the Feds!!!!!

Are you voting for Bush too?????

Hb

75 posted on 01/22/2004 10:49:35 PM PST by Hoverbug
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To: Hoverbug
"The protection of the national border is the State's responsibility, and education should be handled by the Feds!!!!!"

No Sir, I believe that it's the responsibility of each and every state to educate their Children and control the flow of Commerce and people who enter each State.

"Are you voting for Bush too?????"

Yes, There is no other choice, and despite what many of the so called "True" Conservatives around here think, I believe George W. Bush understands that once he was sworn in as the 43rd President of the United States of America, he understood that he became the President of every American, and not just his base or the Republican Party. This Republic has based all of it's national policies on the basic belief that compromise is what makes a Democratic Republic work for all of America and not just the Party who controls the Executive Branch.

76 posted on 01/22/2004 11:03:23 PM PST by MJY1288 (WITHOUT DOUBLE STANDARDS, LIBERALS WOULDN'T HAVE ANY !)
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To: Hoverbug
Well the States once controlled immigration issues. So oops there went your little argument.
77 posted on 01/22/2004 11:05:15 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: South40
:-)

Hb
78 posted on 01/22/2004 11:07:10 PM PST by Hoverbug
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To: Texasforever
Hi! How are you?

Hb
79 posted on 01/22/2004 11:10:54 PM PST by Hoverbug
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To: Hoverbug
Doing great. Now about that state control of immigration thing. Do you want to re-think it?
80 posted on 01/22/2004 11:13:55 PM PST by Texasforever
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