Public School Help Needed!

[Blood of Tyrants]

First, explain that the Supreme Court acted absolutely correctly to preserve the integrity of the laws of Florida and the Constitution of the United States and that ABSOLUTELY NO PRIVATE OR PUBLIC RECOUNT HAS EVER DECLARED THAT GWHORE WON.

The Floriduh SC ruled absolutely incorrectly when they allowed the election commissions in only three DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED COUNTIES to count and recount their ballots as if those ballots had more meaning and weight than the ballots of the other +80 counties. The FL SC absolutely IGNORED the long established laws of Florida in an obvious effort to get gwhore elected.

The USSC did not STOP the count, it prevented them for "cherry picking" the count in heavily Democrat counties. This is an obvious violation of the equal protection guaranteed under the 14th Amendment.

Also, I'll bet $5 that Michael Moore conveinently "forgets" to mention the memo sent by the gwhore camp that showed how to disqualify absentee ballots specifically sent by military personnel. I'll also bet that he "forgets" to mention that the infamous "butterfly ballot", that so easily confused the poor useful idiots in Palm Beach County, was designed by and approved by DEMOCRATS!

Also tell your son that Josef Stalin once said, "I don't care who votes as long as I get to decide who counts the votes".

[B Knotts]

This is just what public schools do. You can try to fight it, but they will indoctrinate every kid they can.

[GSWarrior]

Sorry, that site is for colleges and universities....but I know I've seen a similar site for high schools....

[CobaltBlue]

I discussed these matters, and more, with my own kids during the recount process, and afterwards. I think it does raise some very interesting questions.

If it were me, I'd tell my son that a lot of Gore's supporters do see it that way, and will probably always see it that way. But the truth of the matter is that the deliberations of the Supreme Court are secret, always have been, although from time to time a justice may comment generally on a case long after it was decided. So, bottom line, there really is no way to know why the Court did what it did at the time it did. It is probably fair to say that there is at least an appearance of impropriety. If the Supreme Court had ordered a new, fairer recount, that would have delayed the inauguration, but Bush still would have been the winner, according to news sources that have viewed the actual ballots after the fact.

Was it worth causing so much hard feelings between Democrats and Republicans? Sometimes these things happen. How do we, as Americans, deal with these hard feelings in the political process?

It might be instructive to look at the dissenting opinions, and talk about what would have happened if they had prevailed. If I recall correctly, even some of the liberal judges thought that the way it was being done in Florida was wrong.

In other words, I would respect your son's right to have a different opinion, but would express my own opinion.

I think that, even though Michael Moore is really just an entertainer, he can be very funny. I just don't think he holds himself to a very high standard of veracity. My younger son and I watched the recent movie about gun control, and we both laughed a lot, but afterwards we talked about how he misrepresented the facts, as well as made some interesting points.

But maybe your style is to tell your son "the truth from on high" - in which case, best of luck to you.

[LisaMalia]

The only thing you can do is deprogram the kid daily

I agree. Homeschooling is all well and good, and so is private schools. Sadly, some parents don't have those options for financial reasons. Had they passed this book out for required reading when one of my kids were in high school,.....well, let's just look at this calmly.

I would also get on the agenda at the next school board meeting. Try to get other parents to attend. Be prepared, and state your case.

A group of parents at our school did this concerning a coach who was using inappropriate behavior with the girl's basketball team. The SB (school board) went into executive session, and kept decided in favor of the teacher/coach. Even if you don't win this, at least you'll know you did everything you could. Good luck!

[Blood of Tyrants]

As Freeper Richard Kimball says about demanding recounts until your candidate is ahead, that is an old Democrat tactic.

Ask him why a machine recount was less fair than a manual recount, after all, the machine has no agenda, no political alliances, and no bias. Isn't a fair and impartial count all that we want?

Challenge you son to come up with a method to determine how many times is it fair to demand a recount and a method to determine who would be the winner if one recount declared a different winner than the others. Why would the last recount be more valid than the first or second?

[Sloth]

Give your son Bill Sammons' book, 'At Any Cost.'

[reluctantwarrior]

Your son is either mature and open to both sides or he is easily influenced by the teacher as an authority figure. If its the latter then you'll engender some resistance if you simply flame the teacher as a lib. Offer a choice of several sources for the 'truth' in the Florida voting debacle, perhaps the most authoritative is the liberal newspapers, NY times and the Palm Beach paper did a lengthy post SCOTUS investigation and quietly reported that Bush won no matter which standard for vote counting is used.

[Blood of Tyrants]

If I recall correctly, even some of the liberal judges thought that the way it was being done in Florida was wrong.

Correct. The decision to stop the recount was 7-2. And it has been proven that the court is 4 conservative, 4 liberal, and one centrist/liberl.

[GOPrincess]

"Give your son Bill Sammons' book, 'At Any Cost.'"

Ditto that. Great book. In fact you might want to give it a quick read to bone up on the facts before the meeting. He covers every aspect of the Florida story...it's really scary what the Dems were up to.

[GOPrincess]

"The decision to stop the recount was 7-2."

Yes, this cannot be underemphasized. The media and liberals like to talk about 5-4, but that was the split on the "remedy" for the problem after the 7-2 vote. The 7-2 count was the more significant number and one the media has tried to bury every since it came down. Read Bill Sammon on this for a concise explanation.

[GOPrincess]

Check that, it *has* been underemphasized and cannot be overemphasized. I need to proof what I write :).

[quack]

(who lives away from home @ a boys center in Sonoma)

Why does your son live away at a boys center?Is this something that is usual in California,like a prep school or something?

[GOPrincess]

My daughter had to deal with this kind of propaganda in her AP Euro History class as a 9th grader in Orange County, CA -- Anti-war, Anti-Bush propaganda, pro Gray Davis, etc.

She had the school's 10-minute "free reading" period in that class and made quite a show of carrying around and reading books by Ann Coulter, Barbara Olson and the like :).

She is very savvy re politics and has handled it well, though it disgusts me having her objected to that kind of malarkey -- it's a terrible commentary on the directions our schools are headed. My younger three children are in private school or homeschooling!

[Sloth]

how the Supreme Court stopped the Florida count when it looked like AlGore was going to win.

I'm wondering how one could say that a recount "looked like" it was going to have a particular result different from the first count, unless you knew there was a factor in the counting besides random chance. Which, of course, every honest observer did.

[RightField]

The only thing you can do is deprogram the kid daily

I agree. We homeschooled our son through 8th grade (and my husband--his father--is a public high school teacher!) He entered his father's high school in 9th grade and is now a junior. He is not there for the academics, believe me. He's there because he's a great athlete and wanted to play sports.

We spend a significant amount of time, however relearning and deprogramming. He has had nothing but leftist drivel, especially from the English Department. Having not been been exposed to socialist junk called "public education" until now, my son is quick to see the leftist bent of his teachers. This time in public school is good for him in one way, in that he's honing his skills at spotting the fallacies and outright lies that are foisted upon public school students as facts.

[MamaLucci]

This is an eye opener:

"Explicit statistical evidence of massive ballot tampering in Palm Beach, Fl" Robert A. Cook, PE

[ninergold3]

He lives away from home due to behavior problems. His biological father screwed him up pretty bad and he got into some trouble. This boys center was a last resort for him. Thankfully, he has been doing better and will graduate in June. He has joined the Navy and reports in August.

BTW - Biological father is no longer in the picture. He and his "biker babe" girlfriend decided that the money they could save by not paying child support was a good thing. He signed away his parental rights to our son and his younger sister. My husband adopted them right after that. Best thing that ever happened to them. :)

[JSteff]

"I'm sure you'll find talking to your car bumper more pleasant."

"And more productive."

And better educated....

[boris]

Demand equal time. Atlas Shrugged for balance.