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Perfect example of why we need a loser pay system.

These women should have to cover SW Airlines legal bill in fighting this ridiculous suit.

1 posted on 01/22/2004 7:23:31 AM PST by Republican Red
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To: Republican Red
When I was a very young child, I recited the rhyme as "Eenie, meenie, miney mo; Catch a tiger by the toe." Is that racist, too?
2 posted on 01/22/2004 7:26:13 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: Republican Red
I learned it as "Catch a tiger by the toe" and didn't find out about the "other" version until high school. Does that mean I was a "specist" for 16 years? Man, I hope those tigers don't have a good lawyer!
4 posted on 01/22/2004 7:27:26 AM PST by 50sDad (Hey Vegans! More people were killed this year by dirty onions than by Mad Cows!)
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Jury says airline not liable in suit over 'racist rhyme'


Thank God!

5 posted on 01/22/2004 7:28:15 AM PST by haywoodwebb (American, Negro, Conservative!)
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To: Republican Red
I'd heard that she actually had used the n- word. Anyway, people who bring ridiculous lawsuits like this deserve to lose more than just a few bucks. They should be publicly humiliated.
7 posted on 01/22/2004 7:29:11 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Don't worry, this won't hurt a bit. MWAHAHAHAHA.)
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To: Republican Red
Perfect example of why we need a loser pay system.

AMEN!!!!!!!

8 posted on 01/22/2004 7:29:17 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: Republican Red
These women should have to cover SW Airlines legal bill in fighting this ridiculous suit.

Otherwise it is like getting lottery tickets for free. The uppidy bitches hoped to get rich over this stupidity.

10 posted on 01/22/2004 7:30:42 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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Reminds me of the line "You're the pot calling the kettle black" which was said by a white woman (on the Apprentice reality show) to a black woman. The black woman went ballistic.
12 posted on 01/22/2004 7:32:04 AM PST by sarasota
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These women should have to cover SW Airlines legal bill in fighting this ridiculous suit.

No doubt about it, tort reform in this country is long overdue.

U Sue ...
U Lose ...
U Pay ...

13 posted on 01/22/2004 7:32:53 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: Republican Red
Southwest attendants are notorious for silly rhymes, folks need to lighten up a bit.

Once, after sitting on the tarmac for a 1/2 hour because a "light on the dashboard" did not come on, the plane took off after the captain said he "tapped it". When we got to cruising altitude, over the load speakers came "We've been working on the airplane, all the live long day. . ."

I was not amused. Still, I did not sue them.
16 posted on 01/22/2004 7:35:34 AM PST by Roughneck (". . .For there is going to come a time when people won't listen to the truth. . .")
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Perfect example of why we need a loser pay system.

I'm all for that. Something has to be done to get these rediculous lawsuits to go away.

17 posted on 01/22/2004 7:36:04 AM PST by CougarGA7
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Duct tape your head before reading this quote from one of the "victims" from a USA Today article:

Fuller said after the verdict that there was enough evidence for jurors to have found she had her sister had been discriminated against.

"If we had jurors of our peers then we would have won the case today, and we should have won the case today, with all the evidence shown," she said.

"It's a shame that the jury pool we had to draw from did not have one black and not one minority," she said. "Something has to be done to make sure there is justice in America for blacks."

Good thing for those two I wasn't the judge. I would have absolutely ripped them a new one for even daring to bring a lawsuit over something so idiotic.

}:-)4

21 posted on 01/22/2004 7:38:08 AM PST by Moose4 (Sherman burned Columbia to the ground Feb. 17, 1865. Can we get reparations?)
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I*'m offended by all of these offended people. Can I sue?
32 posted on 01/22/2004 7:43:54 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Don't worry, this won't hurt a bit. MWAHAHAHAHA.)
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Exactly!The UK has this"Loser Pays Costs"system and it WORKS!!!
33 posted on 01/22/2004 7:48:21 AM PST by bandleader
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Eenie Meenie Miney Mo, catch a monkey by his toe That is the version we used. I have broached the question of Brazil Nuts to a friend of mine, who is a bit darker complected than I. He calls Brazil Nuts N-toes, as do all of his relatives, friends etc....Just what they are called...sorry.

I miss the days when the Italian could be called a "wop", the Irish a "Mick" etc, and it was an affectionate way of speaking amongst our mixed groupings.

55 posted on 01/22/2004 8:20:25 AM PST by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
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On a very serious note, if anyone wants to know why there is still discrimination in hiring they need only look at this article. I understand and agree that years ago, there was blatant unreasonable discrimination. Today, the problem is that even if an employer wants to be fair, he always has to have stories like this in the back of his mind.

Every time there are lawsuits over stuff like this I wonder why anyone would hire a person who could turn out to be a hypersensitive employee in a legally-protected class. Imagine having either one of these two women in small business. The possibility of a frivolous lawsuit just because one of them was "offended" is too great a risk to take.

The legal fees and the drain on the owner's time would be enough to sink any small business.

And, the owner would probably have to keep employing and paying the disruptive employee or risk a further discrimination suit.

56 posted on 01/22/2004 8:20:55 AM PST by CurlyDave
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Don't even get me started on the centuries of oppression of rillah-rahs by the hutsut Ralstons.
58 posted on 01/22/2004 8:21:43 AM PST by P.O.E. (So sigh not so, but let them go and be you blithe and bonny - Shakespeare)
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Perfect example of why we need a loser pay system.

These women should have to cover SW Airlines legal bill in fighting this ridiculous suit.

I agree, but there'd have to be some sort of mechanism to determine frivolity, or tons of legitimate lawsuits would never occur, on fear of losing.

MM

59 posted on 01/22/2004 8:24:00 AM PST by MississippiMan
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IF SW chooses to roll over and play dead on this most flagrant example of a flagrant lawsuit, it deserves to pay what it has spent and whatever it will pay in the future for similar adventures.

And I can guartantee you at the 100%-level that SW will not be passing such costs along to me....

63 posted on 01/22/2004 8:30:48 AM PST by tracer
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Posted on Thu, Jan. 22, 2004


Airline not liable in suit over rhyme
Jury rules quickly in discrimination case


DAVID EULITT/The Kansas City Star
Flight attendant Jennifer Cundiff (right) said Wednesday she was relieved by the jury's verdict and thought it was fair and just. She and boyfriend Louis Chabai (center) talked outside the courthouse.

A Southwest Airlines flight attendant's variation of the “Eenie, meenie, minie, moe” rhyme did not discriminate against two black passengers, a federal jury decided Wednesday.

The eight-member jury in Kansas City, Kan., deliberated for less than an hour before ruling in favor of the airline.

Louise Sawyer of Merriam and Grace Fuller of Lenexa, who are siblings, had sued the airline over an incident on a February 2001 flight from Las Vegas to Kansas City.

As the two women struggled to find seats on the crowded plane, Southwest Airlines flight attendant Jennifer Cundiff said over the intercom, “Eenie, meenie, minie, moe; pick a seat, we gotta go.”

Sawyer, 46, and Fuller, 49, said the rhyme immediately struck them as a reference to an older, racist version in which the first line is followed by “catch a n--- by the toe.”

The two women testified at the two-day trial that they were embarrassed, humiliated and frustrated. Fuller testified that she suffered a small seizure on the flight home, which was triggered by the remark. Later at home, she said she had a grand mal seizure and was bedridden for three days.

Cundiff, 25, testified that she never had heard the racist version and that she was only trying to inject humor to make the flight more enjoyable and memorable. She wanted passengers to take their seats so the plane could leave.

Outside the courtroom, Fuller said there was enough evidence for the jury to find in favor of her and her sister.

“There is no justice in America for blacks … ” Fuller said.

“It's a shame that the jury pool we had to draw from did not have one black and not one minority. Something has to be done to make sure there is justice in America for blacks.”

The jury consisted of seven white men and a white woman.

Scott A. Wissel, a Kansas City lawyer who represented Sawyer and Fuller, declined to comment about the verdict.

John W. Cowden, a Kansas City lawyer representing Southwest Airlines, said he and his client were pleased with the jury's finding.

“All along, Southwest Airlines has contended that it did not intentionally discriminate against the two ladies,” he said. “We are pleased the jury agreed and vindicated Southwest and its flight attendant, Jennifer Cundiff.”

Cundiff, who lives near Dallas, said she was relieved and thought that the jury had reached a fair and just verdict. She maintained that the rhyme had been directed at several passengers, not just Sawyer and Fuller.

“When I first heard they complained about what I said, I didn't know what they were talking about,” said Cundiff, who, at the time, had been an attendant for eight months.

While Cundiff said she probably would never use the rhyme again, “I will not tell anyone not to say it.”

In court testimony, the two women said they originally had sent letters to Southwest Airlines complaining about the use of the rhyme and how they thought it was racially offensive. They wanted Southwest Airlines to stop using it.

However, they said they decided to file their lawsuit out of frustration when Southwest Airlines did not take their complaints seriously.

In their lawsuit, they alleged that Southwest violated a 1981 civil rights law that prevents businesses from discriminating against minority customers by treating them differently from white customers for the same service. They contended that they suffered physical and emotional distress because of the rhyme.

Wissel said in his closing argument that Cundiff's use of the rhyme was tantamount to a racial slur.

He said the action prevented his clients from enjoying the same privileges and conditions as the white passengers.

Cowden, on the other hand, argued that Cundiff's use of the rhyme was an innocent attempt at humor.

“At best, this is an argument that something is not politically correct,” Cowden told jurors. “At worst, it is nothing. Certainly, this does not support a violation of a federal statute, because these words were spoken.”

To reach Robert A. Cronkleton, Wyandotte County police

and courts reporter, call

(816) 234-5994 or send e-mail to bcronkleton@kcstar.com.


67 posted on 01/22/2004 8:34:08 AM PST by TroutStalker (Whip me, strip me, tie me, fly me -- catch & release)
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To: Republican Red
Much agree. Though I think the vulnerability should be stiffer for frivolous TYPES of suits.

There should still be some reasonable freedom and support for poor people to sue major corporations for serious damage situations without that kind of vulnerability.

IMHO.

73 posted on 01/22/2004 8:45:16 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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