So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[Nanodik]

consider that to just defeat GWB & take a (HORROR OF HORROR) chance that someone like Dean might get elected, is scary.

Consider that some of us don't like socialism, be it Republican socialism or Democrat socialism. Some of us have come to the conclusion that with divided govt, there will be less socialism passed into law and with the congress firmly in the hands of the Republicrats, that a Dem prez may actually be preferable to a Rep socialist one. Some of us believe that if socialism from the Republicrats is not repudiated, then we will truly have a 1 party system. Bush had an opportunity to throw a big piece of red meat to the right wing last night. He didn't and now there is no reason for the right wing to vote for him. I did not vote for him last time and I won't this time. He is really no different then his daddy.

[Your Nightmare]

OK, maybe not a Dem president, but either the House or Senate. Right now there's no real check or balance for the executive. He can spend all he wants.

[sinkspur]

I want my judges. And I ain't gonna shut up about it. Bush still has time to do it, right now. If he wants my vote, give me the damned judges.

Diaper full?

[BJClinton]

To me, GWB is the worst candidate, except for all the others who are running.

*standing ovation*

[woodyinscc]

I want my judges. And I ain't gonna shut up about it. Bush still has time to do it, right now. If he wants my vote, give me the damned judges.

I am glad to hear that President Bush might still get your vote, but it should not even be in question. You should vent your anger at the obstructionist dims. (ie Shumer et al!)

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

The foolishness is breathtaking.

[George W. Bush]

Then, if the Bush Amnesty loses more votes than it gains, it strengthens Al Qaeda.

Sailing the dangerous waters of applied logic again?

LOL.

[Protagoras]

Hyperbole like that is usually found at the DU or the ABC newsroom.

You mean hypebole like; if you don't vote for us those bad ole Dems wil destroy everything in the country? If you don't vote for Bush you are supporting the Al Qeada? If you don't vote for Bush, there will be no more country, much less a Republican Party? If you don't vote for Bush, taxes will go up 1 trilion dollars. If you don't vote for Bush there will be no more military.

That kind of hyperbole? All of those things have been said on this thread.

[BJClinton]

...turn in your FR card and go home.

Bull. This a forum to discuss, among other things, ideas. Just because Dubya is the lesser of 2 evils doesn't mean a FReeper should quit the forum for not voting for him.

[Bikers4Bush]

A little paranoid aren't we?

[Howlin]

Actually, Brit Hume reported it in The Grapevine.

Is he an apologist, too?

[My2Cents]

Criticize Bush if you like, but if you claim you aren't going to vote for him, then turn in your FR card and go home.

Precisely. This needs to be pounded home on every naysaying thread that pops its head up on FR. Frankly, considering the pragmatic conservatism of Jim Rob and the folks who oversee this site, I wouldn't be surprised if they start banning some of the more obstreperous Bush-bashers, or at least start pulling posts. I mean, how many times a day does a post need to go up criticizing Bush's immigration proposal, for example. It's the same old arguments, the same old posters, the same old stridency, the same old negativity, the same old venom. Why is it allowed? Nothing new has been said by the Bashers in weeks. At some point (and I think we've passed the point), all of the objections to Bush have been said, and it simply becomes counterproductive to allow them to continue to spew on this site.

On the other hand, a post like this one highlights Bush's conservative values for all to see. In the face of this information, for the bashers to continue to argue that "Bush isn't conservative," rather than the more reasonable position that "he isn't as conservative as I'd like him to be," is frankly, idiotic, or worse. I question their motives.

[JFC]

This wife of a Biker... supports President Bush 150%, so do our other bikers. You don't want him than you will get what you vote against.

[windchime]

"Very shrill, notwithstanding the "explanation". In fact, goofy, IMO."

Please define 'shrill' and what was 'goofy'?

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Thank you.

You know, this isn't rocket science. A year from now, we're either going to have a Democrat in the White House, or we're going to have President Bush. It's as simple as that.

Anyone given this choice who would turn this nation and its security over to a Democrat is dangerous, and someone I consider my political enemy.

[Bikers4Bush]

I have already made clear that if shillary were to run I would be forced to vote for W.

[My2Cents]

Voting third party at a time of war, both at home and abroad, when the only real choices are a moderately conservative (or conservatively moderate) incumbent, and the incarnation of evil in our society, is lunacy. Where in the so-called "real conservative's" set of values is the principle of cutting off their face to spite their nose? Being a loser isn't one of the values I cherish.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Well someone taking the freepname of 'Dick Cheney' or 'Ronald Reagan' and then spouting off Marxist slogans would tweak a few noses, but it would also be intellectually dishonest, basically a fraud. Your using Bush's name when you trash his supporters and the man's position only differs by matter of degree. A man of honor would not do that. Thus I hope that you will now consider and ultimately change your freepname to something more in line with your words, actions, and beliefs.

[woodyinscc]

That kind of hyperbole? All of those things have been said on this thread.

You had better hope that President Bush gets re-elected, so you can still have him to bash. Apparently you have forgotten the ideology and agenda of those he must defeat.!

[The Old Hoosier]

He wrote it - it's known as the McCain-Feingold law.

Sorry, I should have included an "irony" tag for the less intelligent among us.

Again, I will repeat, "So what if John McCain supported the Bush Campaign Finance law?"

I don't like McCain, but as every day goes by, I keep thinking, we may just as well have elected him instead of Bush.