So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[Pern]

Exactly how am I flushing this country down the drain? By not falling in step and voting for either the Democrat or Republican party?

Unlike most 'conservatives', I've actually served this country, therefore, I've actually earned my vote. If I choose to 'throw it away' on a 3rd party candidate, it's my right.

GWB got my vote in 2000, but he's not getting it in 2004. He has too much to answer for, in my book.

[LandofLincoln]

their whole socialist agenda.

Their whole socialist agenda? Their whole socialist agenda is taxing me and spending that money on social programs. The ONLY difference between that and Bush is he is NOT taxing me, and spending a boat load of money on socialist agendas.

If I am not going to pay for this, WHO IS????

[looscnnn]

"Thanks for helping flush the country down the drain."

We are not the ones that are increasing the size of the government, giving amnesty to the illegals, failing to protect the Constitution, etc. You need to be saying that to Congress and the White House.

[Blzbba]

"A good portion of that spending is spent on security and the war effort."


True, but he has domestically outspent Clinton already...and these figures do NOT include 'War On Terror' spending and nation-building in Afghanistan/Iraq.

Dept. of Homeland Security is nothing more than more big gov't.

[Wolfie]

You call bloating entitlement programs and big government, allowing the 1st to get trampled and rewarding illegal aliens conservative?

Well, you know, you just have to put your SNIPs in the right places.

[RiflemanSharpe]

He's a whole lot more conservative than ANY libertarian, Blackbird.

But the Constitution party is far more conservative then bush.

[PhiKapMom]

That requires a capability of a wider synthesis of thought and being able to grasps complexities of the real world. So now you've eliminated the one-dimensional, single issue only voters....and of course, the (Anti)Constitution Party folks.

Very well stated and wanted to see it in print one more time. Now can those one issue folks figure it out?

[Blzbba]

"So it is our own egos that we are thinking about when we oppose increasing the size of governement, amnesty for illegals, protecting the Constitution, etc. I thought we were doing it because we were thinking about the country. I think you need to take off the blinders and see the big picture. Use some common sense, how does being against these things relate to egos?"


Thank you, looscnnn. I couldn't have responded better myself!

[Bikers4Bush]

The "Reagan did it too" claim has already been shot down many times by better posters than I. I'll not be the one to waste any more lead on it.

[Landru]

"Last I checked, the title is President of the United States, not president of the Republicans, or Democrats, or conservatives, or liberals, or libertarians, etc. Even before Washington was elected our first president — in fact, during the debates as the Constitution was being written — the hallmark of the presidency was that it was to be the one national elective office that represented ALL the people and ALL the states."

Granted.
This voter wouldn't have it any other way.

"A president has to call each issue like he sees it, all the while knowing that in a nation as vast as this, it is inevitable that at least a few million people will disagree with him on nearly every decision."

Yes, you're absolutely correct, again.
Just bear in mind this voter "has to call each issue like he sees it," also.
OK?

"Fair-minded people who claim to be (or to have been) suporters of a president will evaluate the totality of that president's record."

You got that right, neighbor.
Yes you do.

"In the case of George W. Bush, on a host of issues, this has been the most conservative president since Ronald Reagan. In some respects, more conservative."

Well more than Jimmy Carter, anyway.

I just hope my beloved GOP realizes what the bottom line is, here; &, the consequences of decisions clearly going against the grain of conservative "principles" will be as sure as God made little green apples.
OK?

While I admire party loyalty & would never even consider attacking one for their embrace of it?
Fact is there's a potential disaster looming, and it won't happen because the GOP wasn't repeatedly warned by her base.
OK?

...that's how this voter sees it.

[RiflemanSharpe]

Exactly, we need to cut domestic spending.

[Wolfstar]

Gee, Wolfstar, in precisely what respects has Bush been more conservative than Reagan?

Got to go get ready for work, so can't discuss this in depth now. But one way is his handling of the abortion issue. Another — and this is going to shock some on this forum — is his guest worker proposal when contrasted to Reagan's precedent-setting blanket amnesty for illegal aliens. A third is his willingness to express his religious faith openly and to introduce it into many of his speeches. A fourth is his attempts to get government to reverse its decades-long slide into overt discrimination against faith-based institutions and charities.

Remember, I didn't say in ALL respects; I said in SOME respects.

[Bikers4Bush]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, at winning back my vote he is failing miserably.

[cinFLA]

Libertarian Bush-hater alert.

[xJones]

Several say that we complain too much, but NOW, before the next election is the time for the grassroots Republicans to b$tch loudly and let Bush hear our concerns. Maybe he'll see it's no joke to millions of us. I don't won't a Dem to win at all, that would be a disaster. Right now, though, Bush is listening and he might see how strongly Republican grassroot types feel about the illegal situation and our borders.

[RiflemanSharpe]

Hear, hear, I could not have said it better.

[fish hawk]

OOPS, looks like I accidently stumbled onto a thread of Libertarians, my mistake. Buh bye.

[Consort]

I can't tell from your post if you agreed with me or not.

[ohioWfan]

If you haven't seen the bloated egos on this forum, you haven't been reading very carefully.

The bottom line is your demands that he do what YOU want on every issue, IF they result in your staying home in November, or throwing your vote away, you are risking.....deliberately.....giving this country back to the dems who don't give a RIP about this country.

America's security and future depend on keeping strong pro-military, pro-American Presidents in the White House. And Bush is the only one running who qualifies.

[jpsb]

He can talk the talk, but he can't walk the walk.