So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[zook]

Ditto. Here's my opinion, for what it's worth. Criticize Bush if you like, but if you claim you aren't going to vote for him, then turn in your FR card and go home.

[MEG33]

It wasn't Bush,sr who did it,it was the foundation.It was for fighting for his beliefs,not awarded for his beliefs.Bush sr is too classy to raise a stink after Kennedy called his son everything but a treasonous, murderous king.

[Mo1]

Did we say to vote for a Dem?

I believe what was said was ... Having a Dem in the WH would teach republicans a lesson

[exmarine]

I also find it ridiculous for a conservative to imagine that they can only vote for those who completely toe the line to their own conservative agenda.

It would be nice to find a Republican who even towed 50% of the line. Look, your petty jabs at my conservatism isn't going to change a thing - it only makes me more resolved. You can't force people to vote for Bush - you could put a gun to my head and I wouldn't vote for Bush, unless he changes his policies and fast. You vote for who you want, and I will vote for who I want. As Don King would say, "Isn't America wonderful?"

[My2Cents]

No, I think you're just confused over what his proposal is.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Amazing how much the self-described "true conservatives" in this place sound like Democrats. Frankly, I'm sick to death of it. If we get a Democrat in the White House because of these asshat clowns...

[exmarine]

It wasn't Bush,sr who did it,it was the foundation.

Uhhh....I saw the film...Bush praised his public service and handed him the award! Guilty as charged!

[My2Cents]

Let's face it: at this time in our history, the big divide, politically, is between those who GET IT, and those who DON'T, vis-a-vis the War on Terror. Let's forget left vs. right, as if we actually have the luxury of playing an ideological parlor game. The philosophical debates about the nature and limits of government, the nature of man, issues of liberty versus tyranny, are age-old, and important debates. Such debates will always be with us. But, for example, after Pearl Harbor, the principal issue wasn’t the creeping socialism of the New Deal, but whether Western Civilization could defeat German fascism and Japanese militarism. After World War II, the ideological debates were rejoined. We’re in a similar situation today.

It would be nice if George W. Bush were the second coming of Russell Kirk. He clearly isn’t. But this little fact is largely irrelevant. The War on Terror is still the biggest issue, and George W. Bush is really the only candidate in the Presidential race who GETS IT. The UN doesn't get it; the European Union doesn't get it; the media doesn't get it; clearly the Democrats (with perhaps Lieberman as the sole exception) don't get it either. That's the great divide in America right now. I have faith that the American people still get it. And what they will “get” is that when it’s time to pull the lever, touch the screen, or punch the chad in November 2004, the will conclude that the world is too dangerous a place to allow the Democrats back in power. This isn’t a “left-vs.-right” consideration. This is a consideration much lower on the Maslow hierarchy of political need. It’s civilization versus the savages. And most people “get it.” Some people, including a good many on FR, do not.

[duckln]

SOTU
If judges insist on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people, the only alternative left to the people would be the constitutional process. Our nation must defend the sanctity of marriage.

ST
So, if President Bush were to squander enough votes that a Democrat is elected, it would be him, not the voters he failed, who is responsible.

You couldn't have said it better. W should have beaten Gore by 7% minimum, but he squander enough to turn the election into a squeaker. Problem was that the RNC is a sellout crowd. They gave us W, we had no choice. They had and have 'Democrats' in the GOP. One of which is McCain, who pushed the RNC agenda in the 'debating'.

Plain and simple we are riddled throughout with partisan politicians who don't give a hoot for the constitution. What it says means nothing but it couldn't have been written any clearer.

W's suggesting going the constitutional process to me does not mean rewriting it. We have a process and it's called impeachment .

Firstly, a program should be initiated to cleanse our Judicial of 'partisan' gone a muck judges. This would be a noble undertaking by the House Republicans. It should be done enmass, as these judges are destroying America as we speak.

Who are these people? For starters, 6 of the 7 Florida Supreme judges who assisted in the attempt to steal the national election. The 3 circuit judges who tried to derail California's recall election. Sandra Day O'Connor, who must just have gone 'senile', for defying the 'constitution' in the 'sodomy' and 'Michigan' decisions.

I would include the two Federal judges that just 'stayed' the newly signed law on PBA. IMO, it's now the law of the land until proven otherwise, not the other way around.

W is on very thin ice with his disregard of the constitution by signing McCain/Feingold. His chummy patronizing of Ted Kennedy and the Islamists lobby in the US could make Republicans sick and stay at home come Nov 8th..

[Howlin]

If we get a Democrat in the White House because of these asshat clowns...

...they'll be nowhere to be found.

[ohioWfan]

September 10th people.............they don't GET it.

[Ophiucus]

Staying home or voting third party is a perfectly legitimate way to say none-of-the-above to both parties.

Voting third party is legitimate. Staying at home is a dereliction of your duty.

[MEG33]

Your truth,the truth about a poll,your truth about what is best for this nation vs her truth?Our truth about why we support Bush or your truth that he is not supportable?

[RiflemanSharpe]

It does really bother some people that some conservativea are walking off the republican plantation.

[My2Cents]

What do you have against compassion. I suppose you favor "cold comfort."

[My2Cents]

For me, the most important issue we face (outside of winning the war on terror) is to reform the federal judiciary by packing...yes, PACKING!...it with judges who respect the rule of law, and the U.S. Constitution. So far, every indication I've seen from George W. Bush's nominees to the federal courts is that they have been 100% stellar in their conservative judicial philosophies. This factor alone is reason enough for bedrock conservatives to vote to re-elect George W. Bush.

[Wolfstar]

I wrote that it goes back AT LEAST to the Eisenhower administration before I'd had a chance to research its origins. The first form of guest-worker program began in the early 1940's. See my post #51.

Sabertooth, regarding your comment: The Editor's note is even more disingenuous than the President's statement. I know that you have a principled opposition to the president's proposal; in fact, that illegal immigration appears to be an overriding issue for you, judging by your posts during the recall. I respect your point of view and your posts, because they are usually well stated and rarely nasty. Unless I missed a post where you said otherwise, I also respect the fact that you still intend to vote for President Bush despite your vigorous opposition on this issue.

I also am opposed to the guest-worker proposal. However, unlike you, it is not my overriding issue. I take every one of your posts seriously and never assume disingenuousness on your part. I would thank you to display similar respect for my point of view. Everything I post reflects what I believe to be true.

[zook]

I have no desire to force you to vote for anyone. But, and this is figuratively and rhetorically speaking, I'm gonna kick the s*** out of you and anyone else who gets on here, attacks my president, and advocates booting him out of office.

[George W. Bush]

Extremists will NEVER get to vote FOR anyone. That is the nature of the universe.

Completely wrong.

It was the gun-rights 'extremists' who elected the Republican House in '94. And they were far more effective in implementing a conservative agenda than anything Bush has done.

It was largely those same 'extremists' who defeated Gore in Arkansas and Tennessee in 2000.

Without those 'extremists', as you like to call them, you'd be sitting here bitching about President Gore and his Dimocrat party which has held a 54-year majority in Congress.

Every vote is important. Red-meat conservatism is important.

It's not the mushy party loyalists that win elections. If Bush stood up and promised you Bushbots a Soviet America, you'd quickly swoon and post some drippy photo thread. There is absolutely nothing Bush could do to keep you from voting for him.

More than anything else, elections are about hardcore activists and swing voters. And the parties have to give these two groups a reason to turn out and vote.

[Neets]

I am deeply saddened that none of you bothered to ping me to this thread.

*boo - hoo - hoo

Due to your egregious lack of moral integrity, and your lack of compassion for my need to feel part of the gang, I have decided you aren't conservative enough for me and I am going to take my marbles and my vote and go home. Oh, and yea, when that CP/LP viable candidate appears, could someone please ping me to that thread??? Where can I turn in my BUSHBOT badge?