So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[Texasforever]

, they'd have had to have voted against Reagan.

They did. The Far right hated the Gipper just as vehemently as it hates GWB. That is why they put forward the MYTH of Reagan to use against Bush instead of the reality of Reagan. Bush has followed the Reagan model more closely and more effectively that Reagan himself.

[CyberAnt]

"How about enforcing the current laws? What makes you think they will pay the fine? What will happen if they don't?"

Sorry .. I don't have any control over whether or not the current laws are enforced.

What makes you think they won't pay the fine ..??

How on earth should I know what will happen if they don't .. but common sense would tell me they won't get a workers' permit, and they might be deported. But .. I have no information to confirm or deny that info.

[Zipporah]

I would agree that it is incredible. The thought never passed my mind actually. IF the senator in question was just a junior senator I would've just passed it off but considering the status of the senator, it seemed very credible. I do question how that could be possible as immigration issues (I believe)must be passed though Congress if I am not mistaken. But as I said, considering who the senator is, I took the statement very serioulsy.

[Texasforever]

What EO did Reagan EVER issue regarding abortion? I have to see it. once you have provided that we can address the othe points you made.

[Sabertooth]

I understand .. but others will pick it up and run with it and then before you know it .. there is a whole new flame war of attacks going on things that aren't accurate and factual

Do you understand my point??

Your post made it appear that you thought I was saying something that I didn't. Seems to me that would make it more, not less likely that someone might take my hypothetical and run with it.

Frankly, those who think too much is being made of the President's Amnesty proposal haven't done much with the actual facts already presented to them. There's a price to be paid for ignoring the issue and hoping it would go away for the past few years.

The President, unfortunately, has made sure that this will be a polarizing issue throughout this election.

[Sabertooth]

On "Bushbots" and "Bushbashers"

[LandofLincoln]

I don't recall your being in charge of setting the parameters for anything at all, but I will continue to note your attempt at steering the discussion away from the facts.

I am not saying that I am in charge of anything. But, for you to make the statement using the words "least" and "most" to describe ALL the presidents, when you ONLY mean four of the 44, your statement sound stupid.

It would be like me saying EVERY MEXICAN RAKES SAND TRAPS AT COUNTRY CLUBS, and you saying "that is not true", and me responding "well, there are FOUR at my club"

[Texasforever]

The only EO I could find was the Mexico City accords. I could not find more than one much less several. Bush also reinstated that EO. Reagan did pull out of Unsesco.

[Nanodik]

Bushbot seems to be a little more light-hearted and less caustic then calling them "mindless Bush supporters who would vote for a blind monkey if he had an "R" beside his name". Not to mention the economy of words...

[skip2myloo]

heh, heh -- Well, I think I was conceived in Ohio, but I thank God my parents had the good sense to get to San Antonio in time for my birth.

Being a native-born Texan may be more significant than being considered an American by birth, at least in Texas.

Growing up, all my schools were named for heros of the Texas Revolution: Stephen F. Austin, Ben Milam and others.

We didn't study any world history, or American history until near the end of the 8th grade.

Believe me, I understand exactly how Tex feels.

[Texasforever]

In 1984, President Reagan issued a directive during the Mexico City Conference on Population which would prohibit foreign nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) receiving population aid from the United States from using their OWN funds for providing abortion services and from holding discussions on possible abortion services. (Note: U.S. money for abortion overseas has been prohibited since 1973).

Reagan's EO was to prohibit private organizations from using their own funds for overseas abortions.

[Luis Gonzalez]

LOL!

It's wrong, and the fact that the poster I was responding to, or you for that matter, are repeating erroneous information that neither he, nor you have bothered double-checking, makes the both of you the "bots".

The fact of the matter, is that that statement was so completely wrong, and that the people repeating that lie, over, and over, and over again are simply allowing themselves/yourselves to be led by the nose is pathetic

Government spending, measured as a percentage of the GDP was significantly higher from 1982 through 1992.

Government expenditures per person has remained fairly steady over the past twenty years, and the national debt per person spiked from 1982 through 1997, when it dropped significantly, then began to rise again in 2001 as it always does during times of war. All these figures are calculated in inflation adjusted 2002 dollars.

All this information is readily available on the Internet for those of us who refuse to be led by the lies of others.

Some, are just to lazy to find the truth, so they instead opt to believe whatever others tell them.

If you're looking for mindless "bots" that would be them...maybe you.

[Sabertooth]

What EO did Reagan EVER issue regarding abortion? I have to see it.

Here's one...

The abortion provision that Smith wants would write into law an executive order issued by President Ronald Reagan in 1984. Clinton reversed the order in 1993, shortly after taking office. The United States has barred direct financing for abortion since 1973, but the 1984 policy, known familiarly as "Mexico City" since Reagan announced it during a United Nations conference there, denied grants to international family-planning organizations for any purpose if they promoted abortion rights. Since gaining control of Congress in 1994, Republicans have tried to write the provision into law. And since 1997, Smith has pressured Republican Speakers Newt Gingrich of Georgia and now J. Dennis Hastert of Illinois to support him in attaching the abortion provision to bills that would repay the United Nations.
Abortion Discord Holds Up UN Dues and US Budget
Eric Schmitt - November 11, 1999 - New York Times

Sorta takes care of your "Reagan never dids" on both abortion and the UN, in one shot.

I think there was another EO by Reagan regarding funding for abortions for women in the military, or something along those lines.

[Jorge]

Thank you! Bush has been a great President.

[Redleg Duke]

With your whining attitude, hiding was a logical determination. And I still think you are pathetic.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

I vote for who I believe in, Bush-lover.

[Sabertooth]

Reagan's EO was to prohibit private organizations from using their own funds for overseas abortions.

1. No, not quite. See #1513. Reagan denied federal grants to private orgs that were funding abortions or promoting abortion rights.

2. In any event, your claim was "Bush has actually signed anti-abortion measures, Reagan never did," and it's not true.

[Luis Gonzalez]

OK...let's limit the parameters of my post to the last twenty years, before that, expenditures during wartimes outpaced Bush's under wartime.

Now, Reagan and Bush I outspent Clinton by a wide margin.

In your book then, was Clinton more of a conservative than Reagan, and did you support him while in office?

So, quit parsing my post, and let's discuss current political realities...shall we?

We didn't give a rat's ass about the fact that Clinton's economic policies were by far more in line with conservative ideology than either Reagan's or Bush I...we just wanted him out of office.

I am using the "we" in the sense that this is what most posters on this site wanted, I am not assuming that you felt the same way. I have a feeling that you helped put him there.

[Boiling point]

If the Republicans loose enough votes to a third party to loose the presidency, maybe that will be the slap in the face they need to stop dissing their base. If one of the Dems wins, they will be neutered by the strengthened and even more conservative house and senate. IMHO.

[Luis Gonzalez]

I remember all the "Bush is a globalist" posts in FR.