So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[CyberAnt]

Hmmmm? Doesn't the proposal provide for a "fine" to be paid by each alien requesting a guest worker pass .. such as a person who committed a crime would be required to pay ..?? Then and only then the person would be allowed to enter the worker program ..??

[honeygrl]

"They never intended to vote for Bush and are using whatever they can to justify that stance. "

Not true. Bush had my vote (even though I disagreed with his spending policies) right up until the immigration proposal. I had every intention of just holding my nose and voting for him anyway until that. Right now though I am just not sure what I will do with my vote. All his defenders seem to do though is ridicule and insult rather than real debate so that surely isn't swaying me in that direction. Of course, I am not really expecting you to sway me anyway. I am expecting Bush to sway me between now and November.

[Wolfstar]

Don't get discouraged. This was not started as a Bush-bashing thread. Let the naysayers rant. Those of us with positive things to say about the President can post what we believe to be useful and true. The trick is to avoid getting drawn into their circular nonsense arguments. If you do that, you're playing by their rules. We'll never convince them, but then they are't who we want to reach, anyway.

[Howlin]

Reading your posts has helped me understand (kind of) what that bill says and what it will do; unfortunately, my mother did not "pass" the economics/business gene to me. ;-)

[Tamzee]

GROUPTHINK is the problem - it has brainwashed people into thinking that they have no choice outside these 2 corrupt parties. I say, RUBBISH!

I said "rubbish", too, in 1992 when I voted for Perot. Bolting is not only flawed strategy, we learned first-hand that it brings us the exact opposite of what we want.

[onyx]

President Bush enjoys the highest approval rating of any president at this point in his term since Dwight David Eisenhower in 1956.

[bray]

Oh Please! I worked in the fields and so did my father and his family. I can't believe you were actually playing the PC card and now the race card. Pathetic! Mexican's come over the border to pick our crops. I ain't going to do it and neither are you or your parents!

If you are insulted by reality, get over it! Go to any farm in the west and tell me where I am wrong?? Now tell me how the agriculture industry is going to survive w/o cheap Mexican labor?

Pray for W and The Truth

[Ophiucus]

Constipation Party.

Soda through the nose line. Oh man - I just settled with the (Anti)Constitution Party.

The next incarnation - is that Lymann(sp?)

[gatorbait]

This is not my quote. If you want to quote terrorists under the guise of Christianity, go for it!

- I'm well aware of who said it to you and your Amen. I also think you and whomever else has this urge to call upon God might pay better attention to who ever else is hiding behind it ,too.Ever heard of that passage about God helping those who help themselves? . Vote Constitution Party, Al Qaeda will love you for it. For me,I'll stand with W. You can stand somewhere else.

[George W. Bush]

I said LONG ago on this thread, Vote for whomever you like. Just understand that a vote for your "Constitution" favorite is the same thing as a vote for a Democrat...

And then you won't object if the Constitution Party people say 'Just understand that a vote for GWB is the same thing as a vote for a Democrat'?

Neither statement is true. A vote is, by definition, cast for the person who received it and no one else.

These often-heard notions of punishment-voting and strategic-voting and crossover-voting have never been demonstrated to sway a single major election. They are, for all the evidence ever produced to support them, little more than political old-wives-tales. I'd say the Greens with Nader in 2000 would be the strongest evidence for it but we still can't prove convincingly that those Lefties would have turned out for Gore if Nader hadn't entered.

[deport]

There was a poll mentioned in one of Hill type sheets that indicated that some 62% of the voters between 18 and 29 were supporting President Bush.... No democrat has ever one the Presidency without winning that segment of voters it said.....

I didn't mark it for future references, I should have.... Dynamics of the the elections are changing and those holding onto the past will find themselved doomed to failure. You have to deal with what is the present

[honeygrl]

"Typical disruptor...run when you get caught in a lie, it certainly reveals YOUR agenda. Say hi to the folks at DU for us, "

Oh give me a break. Protagoras has been on FR almost as long as you.

[Happy2BMe]

From 1991 to 2004, all talk and no action.

"Say what they want to hear and the sheeples will follow."

[Howlin]

Please. You all are giving just as good as you get.

[Neets]

If I may muddy up this thread with this scathing post

What Americans Really Think of Bush's State of the Union Speech

Newsmax.com ^ | 01/22/2004 | Carl Limbacher

New numbers from the Office of Strategic Initiatives show overwhelming support for President Bush and say that 76 percent rated the speech favorably, and 70 percent say the policies outlined in the speech will move the nation in the right direction, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

But Bush has Americans' favor all the way around:

* 69% express satisfaction with their financial situation (NBC/WSJ)

* 68% approve of Bush's handling of terrorism (NYT)

* 64% rate Bush as a strong leader (CBS/NYT)

* 59% say Bush cares about their needs and problems (CBS/NYT)

* 58% say the Bush administration has made progress on the economy (CBS/NYT) * 58% approve of the president's job performance (ABC/Wash. Post)

* 54% approve of Bush's handling of the economy (Gallup)

* 54% favor the new Medicare law (NBC/WSJ)

When it comes to siding with the GOP or the Dems, Americans favor the GOP on national defense by 37 points, moral values by 22 points, foreign policy by 15 points, and taxes and controlling spending by 2 points.

[woodyinscc]

Are you going to be around for the rat debate later? This one should be a doozy.!

[international american]

I have voted for Republicans since 1972. I will not vote otherwise, other than possibly abstaining altogether. Why don't you ask the President we voted for why he sells us down the river, instead of castigating me for being PO'D.

[exmarine]

The reason why Perot failed was because of the power of groupthink, although he got 22% I believe.

We need conservative voices and leaders who are conservative but don't follow the herd.

[George W. Bush]

The rise of media has meant the decline of importance of conventions as candidates are selected by the popular vote through the media and not by by convention deals. The saying is that Lincoln would not have won nomination in today's politics but Clinton never would have been nominated by party bosses in convention.

Actually, I think the vote decline started when television started showing us what kind of weirdos both parties contained.

Before that time, people could think that it was just their own delegates who were, well, odd. But the conventions made it clear the two parties were the Nutball Express.

Ever see the Libertarians on CSPAN? How about the 2000 Reform Party nuttiness?

In any given year, it's pretty much a tossup which convention will prove more boring/embarassing to the public.

Television has not been kind to politics.

[gatorbait]

The next incarnation - is that Lymann(sp?)

There was a thread on the new wunderkind Peroutta , though I am uncertain if this is correct. By the way, looks like I am now going to enjoy the tender mercies of the Cromwell wannabees. Ah well, they have their solace in the Word acording to St Sobran.