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Bloomberg: I Don't believe 'Fat' Atkins
NewsMax ^ | 1/21/04 | Limbacher

Posted on 01/21/2004 7:53:27 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

New York's Mayor Bloomberg, a dedicated foe of tobacco doesn't like fat either - and he thinks it was fat and not a head injury that killed diet guru Dr. Robert Atkins.

Chowing down at a New York firehouse, Bloomberg told firefighters "I don't believe that bull- s- - - - that [Atkins] dropped dead slipping on the sidewalk," Bloomberg said eating low fat bow-tie pasta, chicken and vegetables with FDNY Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta and a group of Brooklyn firefighters according to the New York Post.

Atkins, whose high protein, low carb diet is the rage across America reportedly died after he suffered severe head injuries in a fall on an icy Manhattan sidewalk last April.

When a firefighter asked the mayor what Atkins looked like when he met him, the mayor replied that "He was fat," adding that he spat out the food he was served at Atkins' home into a napkin because "it was inedible."

Dr. Stuart Trager, a consultant for Atkins, told the Post "We're baffled and dismayed by the mayor's comments. Our hope is that this was just a joke gone bad."

The low-carb, high-protein Atkins diet sparked a revolution, the Post reported, with millions of followers shunning pasta and bread for steaks and sausages. Critics have claimed the high amounts of fat in many recommended foods can lead to high cholesterol and heart attacks.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: atkins; atkinscult; atkinsdiet; bloomberg; diet; doofus; highprotein; knockingadeadman; lowcarb; rino
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To: XBob
LOL!!! oh you FReeper men are so bad
121 posted on 01/22/2004 1:37:48 PM PST by cyborg
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To: cupcakes
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 75, No. 5, 951-953, May 2002 © 2002 American Society for Clinical Nutrition

Letter to the Editor

"Is dietary carbohydrate essential for human nutrition?"

Eric C Westman

Department of Medicine Duke University Medical Center Suite 200-B Wing Box 50, 2200 West Main Street Durham, NC 27705 Email: ewestman~duke.edu

Dear Sir:

I read with interest the article by Dewailly et al (1) regarding diet and cardiovascular disease in the Inuit of Nunavik, but I was disappointed that no information regarding macronutrient intake was presented or considered in the estimation of cardiovascular risk.

The traditional Inuit diet consists primarily of protein and fat, somewhat similar to the low-carbohydrate diets promoted in popular weight-reducing diets (2). These diets have caused concern among nutritionists because of the metabolic changes and health risks associated with limited carbohydrate consumption (3). However, in exploring the risks and benefits of carbohydrate restriction, I was surprised to find little evidence that exogenous carbohydrate is needed for human function.

The currently established human essential nutrients are water, energy, amino acids (histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine), essential fatty acids (linoleic and -linolenic acids), vitamins (ascorbic acid, vitamin A, vitamin D, vitamin E, vitamin K, thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, vitamin B-6, pantothenic acid, folic acid, biotin, and vitamin B-12), minerals (calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, and iron), trace minerals (zinc, copper, manganese, iodine, selenium, molybdenum, and chromium), electrolytes (sodium, potassium, and chloride), and ultratrace minerals (4). (Note the absence of specific carbohydrates from this list.)

Although one current recommended dietary carbohydrate intake for adults is 150 g/d, it is interesting to examine how this recommendation was determined at a recent international conference (5):

"The theoretical minimal level of carbohydrate (CHO) intake is zero, but CHO is a universal fuel for all cells, the cheapest source of dietary energy, and also the source of plant fiber. In addition, the complete absence of dietary CHO entails the breakdown of fat to supply energy [glycerol as a gluconeogenic substrate, and ketone bodies as an alternative fuel for the central nervous system (CNS)], resulting in symptomatic ketosis.

Data in childhood are unavailable, but ketosis in adults can be prevented by a daily CHO intake of about 50 g. This value appears to approximate the quantity of glucose required to satisfy minimal glucose needs of the CNS and during starvation. The Group therefore concluded that the theoretical minimum intake of zero should not be recommended as a practical minimum....about 100 g of glucose/d are irreversibly oxidized by the brain from the age of 3_4 y onward. However, this excludes recycled carbon, gluconeogenic carbon, for example from glycerol, and it does not account for glucose used by other non-CNS tissues.

For example, in the adult, muscle and other non-CNS account for an additional 20_30 g of glucose daily. For this reason a safety margin of 50 g/d is arbitrarily added to the value of 100 g/d and the practical minimal CHO intake set at 150 g/d beyond the ages of 3_4 y."

Thus, although carbohydrate could theoretically be eliminated from the diet, the recommended intake of 150 g/d ensures an adequate supply of glucose for the CNS. However, it appears that during starvation (a condition in which the intakes of carbohydrate, protein, and fat are eliminated), an adequate amount of substrate for the CNS is provided through gluconeogenesis and ketogenesis (6).

The elimination of dietary carbohydrate did not diminish the energy supply to the CNS under the conditions of these experiments. Second, carbohydrate is recommended to avert symptomatic ketosis. In the largest published series on carbohydrate-restricted diets, ketosis was not typically symptomatic (7).

The most direct way to determine whether carbohydrate is an essential nutrient is to eliminate it from the diet in controlled laboratory studies. In studies involving rats and chicks, the elimination of dietary carbohydrate caused no obvious problems (8_12). It was only when carbohydrate restriction was combined with glycerol restriction (by substituting fatty acids for triacylglycerol) that chicks did not develop normally (13).

Thus, it appears that some minimum amount of a gluconeogenic precursor is essential - for example, glycerol obtained from fat (triacylglycerol) consumption. More subtle abnormalities from carbohydrate elimination might not have been observed in these studies.

In addition, the essentiality of some nutrients is species-specific; therefore, these studies do not provide convincing evidence that elimination of dietary carbohydrate is safe in humans (4).

The usual way to discover the essentiality of nutrients is through the identification of specific deficiency syndromes (4). I found no evidence of a carbohydrate deficiency syndrome in humans. Protein deprivation leads to kwashiorkor, and energy deprivation leads to marasmus; however, there is no specific carbohydrate deficiency syndrome.

Few contemporary human cultures eat low-carbohydrate diets, but the traditional Eskimo diet is very low (50 g/d) in carbohydrate (2). It is possible that if more humans consumed diets severely restricted in carbohydrate, a carbohydrate deficiency syndrome might become apparent.

When carbohydrates are eliminated from the diet, there is a risk that intakes of vitamins, minerals, and perhaps yet unidentified beneficial nutrients provided by carbohydrate-rich foodstuffs (eg, fiber) will be inadequate.

There are case reports of extreme dieters who probably developed deficiencies. One dieter who only ate cheese, meat, and eggs (no vegetables) was reported to have developed thiamine-deficient optic neuropathy (14). Another dieter may have developed a relapse of acute variegate porphyria (15). However, most of the current low-carbohydrate, weight-reducing diets advocate the consumption of low-carbohydrate vegetables and vitamin supplements.

Although there is certainly no evidence from which to conclude that extreme restriction of dietary carbohydrate is harmless, I was surprised to find that there is similarly little evidence to conclude that extreme restriction of carbohydrate is harmful. In fact, the consequential breakdown of fat as a result of carbohydrate restriction may be beneficial in the treatment of obesity (7). Perhaps it is time to carefully examine the issue of whether carbohydrate is an essential component of human nutrition.

REFERENCES

1.Dewailly E, Blanchet C, Lemieux S, et al. n-3 Fatty acids and cardiovascular disease risk factors among the Inuit of Nunavik. Am J Clin Nutr 2001;74:464_73.[Abstract/Full Text]

2.Shaffer PA. Antiketogenesis. II. The ketogenic antiketogenic balance in man. J Biol Chem 1921;47:463_73.

3.Westman EC. A review of very low carbohydrate diets for weight loss. J Clin Outcomes Manage 1999;6:36_40.

4.Harper, AE. Defining the essentiality of nutrients. In: Shils MD, Olson JA, Shihe M, Ross AC, eds. Modern nutrition in health and disease. 9th ed. Boston: William and Wilkins, 1999:3_10.

5.Bier DM, Brosnan JT, Flatt JP, et al. Report of the IDECG Working Group on lower and upper limits of carbohydrate and fat intake. Eur J Clin Nutr 1999;53(suppl):S177_8.[Medline]

6.Cahill GF. Starvation in man. N Engl J Med 1970;282:668_75.[Medline]

7.Palgi A, Read JL, Greenberg I,Hoefer MA, Bistrian BR, Blackburn GL. Multidisciplinary treatment of obesity with a protein-sparing modified fast: results in 668 outpatients. Am J Public Health 1985;75:1190_4.[Abstract]

8.Follis RH, Straight WM. The effect of a purified diet deficient in carbohydrate on the rat. Bull Johns Hopkins Hosp 1943;72:39_41.

9.Renner R, Elcombe AM. Metabolic effects of feeding "carbohydrate-free" diets to chicks. J Nutr 1967;93:31_6.[Medline]

10.Renner R, Elcombe AM. Protein as a carbohydrate precursor in the chick. J Nutr 1967;93:25_30.[Medline]

11.Renner R. Effectiveness of various sources of nonessential nitrogen in promoting growth of chicks fed carbohydrate-containing and "carbohydrate-free" diets. J Nutr 1968;98:297_302.

12.Renner R. Factors affecting the utilization of "carbohydrate-free" diets by the chick. I. Level of protein. J Nutr 1964;84:322_6.

13.Renner R, Elcombe AM. Factors affecting the utilization of "carbohydrate-free" diets by the chick. II. Level of glycerol. J Nutr 1964;84:327_30.

14.Hoyt CS, Billson FA. Low-carbohydrate diet optic neuropathy. Med J Aust 1977;1:65_6.[Medline]

15.Quiroz-Kendall E, Wilson FA, King LE Jr. Acute variegate porphyria following a Scarsdale Gourmet Diet. J Am Acad Dermatol 1983;8:46_9.[Medline]

122 posted on 01/22/2004 1:41:22 PM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: Belial
Sloth yes... some people should avoid carbs diabetic types,etc. It comes down to basic laziness though.
123 posted on 01/22/2004 1:41:34 PM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg; Belial
My sister lives in Japan. The lifestyle is very different. You can't avoid carbs in Japan but the walking,bike riding,etc. makes up for it.

I'm sure it's the availability of processed foods here in the US that also makes a difference. My sister-in-law is Japanese and the first time my brother-in-law was stationed state-side (he's a recently retired Navy Lt-Commander), she gained a bit of weight quickly and was appalled. No doubt due in part to the delightful American delicacies we mass-produce on a regular basis.

124 posted on 01/22/2004 1:42:04 PM PST by agrace
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To: Centurion2000
Odd you should say that. From an INTJ

Simple deduction. 'I' means introverted, which could suggest less emphasis on appearance. The analytical aspects suggest more sedentary behavior. Combine the two, and you a typical FReeper (or typical American). That's why everyone looks like a shlub in the presence of a professional politician.

125 posted on 01/22/2004 1:44:05 PM PST by Snerfling
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To: agrace
Yes absolutely. I am thinking of today's Rush show about choices. There are A LOT of food choices here, and I don't want to be limited and be told what to eat. I DO think responsibility comes with choices.

The Okinawa Diet can't be reproduced in any American city because it's a completely different lifestyle. I remember that one esp. with the coral calcium folks.
126 posted on 01/22/2004 1:44:30 PM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg
121 - "LOL!!! oh you FReeper men are so bad"

But we're so goooooood, when we're baaaaaaaad !!!
127 posted on 01/22/2004 1:56:04 PM PST by XBob
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To: XBob
and whatever happens at CPAC stays at CPAC!
128 posted on 01/22/2004 1:56:55 PM PST by cyborg
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To: XBob
The vast majority of Americans 'were' from England and Germany - Northern Europe. No bananas and pineapples. Only fruits were (apples/pears) and vegies only in summer.

Then I'm the poster boy - 1/2 Kraut & 1/2 Limey. Speaking of which (limes), let me assure you, our N. Europe ancestors well knew the necessity of preserving fruits/veggies from the summer/fall harvests. Scurvy can occur from lack of Vit C within a month or so.

For some reason, we think of historical times as lacking in communication, yet a key part of most local economies was trade. Food stuffs were constantly coming in to supplement local diets in exchange for the meats (salt preserved), furs, etc found in the northern latitudes.

You're right about potatoes/corn being fairly recent (500 yrs ie Columbus), but many point to the explosion in European populations as a result of these new imports. I've heard that Ireland's population is still less than it was in 1847 before the famine - that's how dependent people became on these essential foods.

Not to wax too estatic about potatoes, but I happen to metabolize them extremely well. Because they are also chock full of vitamins (C, etc), you could really almost live on the them to the exclusion of anything else in a pinch.

However, I am a carnivore, and like nothing better than to stuff myself silly at least once a week from some poor animal's carcass. Speaking of which, is it the weekend yet?

129 posted on 01/22/2004 1:59:09 PM PST by Snerfling
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To: H2dude
True.
130 posted on 01/22/2004 1:59:47 PM PST by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: Snerfling
129 - "Not to wax too estatic about potatoes, but I happen to metabolize them extremely well. Because they are also chock full of vitamins (C, etc), you could really almost live on the them to the exclusion of anything else in a pinch. "

The Sherpas on the slopes of mount Everest live almost exclusively on potatoes. Just about Everything else has to be hauled up the mountain on their backs.
131 posted on 01/22/2004 2:13:51 PM PST by XBob
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To: XBob
Did you try Nathan's?
132 posted on 01/22/2004 2:36:29 PM PST by handk (That's why I'm cheesy... I'm cheesy like macaroni...)
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To: BSunday
"...my recipe (from my Mom) for potato salad is the world's best. "

Man, I'd love to try that recipe! Would you mind sharing it with us?

Ed
133 posted on 01/22/2004 2:39:49 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: XBob
You don't have to type the number of the post you're replying to, it's shown automatically in the last line:

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134 posted on 01/22/2004 2:42:40 PM PST by handk (That's why I'm cheesy... I'm cheesy like macaroni...)
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To: handk
132 - "Did you try Nathan's?"

Yes, they are pretty good, but .... not like the old ones. To take a bite, you needed to use your teeth to bite through. Sort of 'tough' skins. Perhaps they were 'real' skins then, instead of artificial ones.
135 posted on 01/22/2004 2:59:16 PM PST by XBob
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To: BSunday
Cult-like following is reserved for emotional idiots.

This empirical scientist seeks facts and the truth - and Atkins describes and predicts our inherent biology more than any other nutritional program.

No cult. It works.
136 posted on 01/22/2004 3:02:18 PM PST by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: handk
134 - "You don't have to type the number of the post you're replying to, it's shown automatically in the last line"

thanks - I realize that, but I prefer it at the beginning, so as to give a reference (when starting to read the post) to just where in the time line the response is referenced. It sort of puts it in context better, particularly for people like me, who sometimes make long responses, to old posts.
137 posted on 01/22/2004 3:03:04 PM PST by XBob
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To: Stallone; BSunday
136 - "This empirical scientist seeks facts and the truth - and Atkins describes and predicts our inherent biology more than any other nutritional program."

It certainly does, as evidenced by hundreds and hundreds of personal testimonies here on FR.

As a diabetic, I need to watch my weight, and carb intake. And every time I follow either the Federal - Sell Wheat - 'Food Pyramid' diet, or the diabetes doctor's diabetic diet, my weight goes up and I feel like I am starving, all the time.
138 posted on 01/22/2004 3:07:46 PM PST by XBob
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To: cyborg
While he's playing health police, the vagrants ride the subways and vendors clog the streets.

I don't mind the vendors, its the tourists who gather around them in Times Square that are a problem. I guess the folks in Fargo really need knockoff Manolo Blanicks for Aunt Fern back home.

As far as the vagrants are concerned, what PISSES me off is that since I am at the end of the R line, the lovely odor of NY Bum greets me every morning I get on the subway. Then when they come out of the ground and start harassing the old ladies, thats when I really get pissed off.

139 posted on 01/22/2004 3:09:59 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: cyborg; Coleus
Try the fried hotdogs at Crifs on St. Marks or, even better, the fried "rippers" at Rutt's Hutt in Clifton, New Jersey.

I still try to get to Nathan's on the boardwalk at least once a week.

140 posted on 01/22/2004 3:11:41 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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