Concerns about gun stores misguided

Houston Chronicle ^ | Jan 19, 2004 | DOUG PIKE

[neverdem]

FYI

[neverdem]

BANG

[Tijeras_Slim]

ping

[Billthedrill]

Nicely written and researched. It is a common tactic for a political group to claim the middle ground when it is merely a vehicle for a less candid subset of either side. This dawg ain't hunting.

Unmentioned in all this is that a dealer who can be traced to a number of "crime guns" is a dealer whose record-keeping is good enough and whose adherence to ATF regulations is scrupulous enough. It's the ones who can't be traced at all that are the problem.

[ABG(anybody but Gore)]

Nice find. The RATS have gotten a bit more clever in their gun-grabbing efforts, but they still want the same thing they've always wanted: recension of the 2nd Amendment and confiscation of all privately owned firearms. Which reminds me, I need to renew my membership in the NRA.

[TexasRepublic]

I don't plan to be "reasonable". Screw 'em.

[Joe Brower]

[Squantos]

How does Dean, Vermonts D- grade on 2nd from HCI and the RAT's support for him equate.....?? Seems theres something to toss back into their smug little faces. Just not sure how to approach such .

Stay Safe

[AAABEST]

I gotta say Joe, for all of the socialism we've gotten lately, I've been happy with the way our lawmakers have for the most part left us alone. I think the 2000 election scared many of them off.

Yeah these grab-groups screech and squeal and a few municipalities act up, but it hasn't gotten much past that. In fact we've won a few with CCW etc. in many areas. Let's hope that the AWB goes away, I'd love to tweak out a few of my toys.

It's nice to be left the hell alone once in a while. As I said once things settle down a bit and I square things away I'm going to have you over.

[neverdem]

How does Dean, Vermonts D- grade on 2nd from HCI and the RAT's support for him equate.....?? Seems theres something to toss back into their smug little faces. Just not sure how to approach such .

I couldn't help but notice your comment, so allow me to offer my take on Dean and Vermont. Vermont lacks diversity and the concomitant crime problem, therefore Vermont, with a substantial number of hunters, never had a need to think about gun control. Hence, the NRA gave Dean a grade of A.

[Eaker]

As always, thanks for the ping!!!!

Stay safe, stay armed,
Eaker

--MOLON LABE--

[Wonder Warthog]

"Nicely written and researched. It is a common tactic for a political group to claim the middle ground when it is merely a vehicle for a less candid subset of either side. This dawg ain't hunting."

Yeah, so nicely written and balanced that I am amazed it appeared in the Houston "Communistical".

[blackie]

The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security!

Be Well ~ Be Armed ~ Be Safe ~ Molon Labe!

[gwmoore]

Thanks much for the heads up, Joe.

I went to their website, and it reminded me a lot of the old Communist disinformation technique. When one sees a pix of McCain, without some obvious disclaimer or used in a negative context, one knows that there is something rotten in Denmark--LOL---

What really scares me about this site is the fact that it ISNT vitriolic, the way most of the grabber's sites are, and its not "preachy". It would APPEAR, at first reading to be a legitimate site with "centrist" views. That being said, however, I worry that "average citizen" who encounters this site will be lulled into security by just such the absense of the aforementioned vitriol and preaching, and actually think this site was created by a self-defense advocacy group. These little buggers (the Dumbocrat/gungrabber/socialist-communist alliance) is getting smarter as time moves on.

Convincing the unknowing public of the Right To Keep and Bear Arms is significantly more difficult when they have been "educated" by such devious websites. I can picture having to debate with someone who gained knowledge from this site, as they will believe that the site is harmless and actually provides good information. Having debated people who buy into the "reasonable" theory before, I know what a heck of a time one can have trying to get any ideas across, for even the simplest RKBA arguments come off as extreme to someone thus informed.

Again, thanks for the heads up, it is now, more than ever, necessary to "Know Your Enemy".

Keep the Faith for Freedom

Greg

[Redbob]

"I've been happy with the way our lawmakers have for the most part left us alone. I think the 2000 election scared many of them off."

Then too, the '94 elections sent a lot of the worst of 'em home for good, and the survivors remember what happened, and how Sarah Brady was nowhere around when the Gun-owners came knockin'!

[elbucko]

I went to their website, and it reminded me a lot of the old Communist disinformation technique...

Yes. Gun control propaganda techniques are derived straight from Marx and Lenin.

[philman_36]

Nothing like a little "Who's Who"...The Americans for Gun Safety Foundation
The Americans for Gun Safety Foundation, a project of the Tides Center, a Section 501(c)(3) non-profit organization, seeks to educate Americans on existing gun laws and new policy options for reducing access to guns by criminals and children and to promote responsible gun ownership. The AGS Foundation supports the rights of individuals to own firearms.

About Tides Center
Tides Center is part of the Tides family of organizations--a group of nonprofit organizations linked by a commitment to positive social change, innovation, and environmental sustainability. The Tides family--which includes Tides Center, Tides Foundation, Thoreau Center for Sustainability, and Groundspring.org--collaborate as partners, sharing ideas, technical systems, and an office complex.

And there is this tidbit from another site...ActivistCash.com
Now comes the Tides Foundation and its recent offshoot, the Tides Center, creating a new model for grantmaking -- one that strains the boundaries of U.S. tax law in the pursuit of its leftist, activist goals.
"Anonymity is very important to most of the people we work with." Tides Foundation founder Drummond Pike, quoted in The Chronicle of Philanthropy

[philman_36]

How Ford Funds the Left By William Bacon FrontPageMagazine.com | May 15, 2003
In part...For example, if someone wants to fund a left-wing movement, they make a fully tax-deductible donation to the Tides Foundation, for which the Foundation will take its share as mentioned. The Foundation will pass the funding along to the Tides Center, which will manage the organization, including hiring program and support staff, providing office space, financial management, employee benefits and legal advice; all for an 8 percent fee.
It becomes very easy to see how the Tides group can accumulate assets of almost $190 million (based on the combined 2001 annual reports). For a non-profit without a permanent endowment, relying almost entirely on contributions for its operations, the Tides group has done incredibly well for itself, financially.

[philman_36]

Again, thanks for the heads up, it is now, more than ever, necessary to "Know Your Enemy".
And did anyone else besides myself even bother looking up and posting any information about this organization and its origins. NO!
How sad.

[philman_36]

FYI...
Subversion in Bush Country
The Center for Consumer Freedom recently revealed that the Tides Foundation and Tides Center are major supporters of anti-war and left-wing causes. One of their projects is the Institute for Global Communications, a clearinghouse for leftist propaganda of living-wage advocates, anti-war protesters, slave-reparations hucksters, and a wide variety of extreme environmentalists. In February 2002, Orange County Register columnist Steven Greenhut termed it "a network of the loony left" that "has to be seen to be believed.” One alert posted in an IGC member bulletin board calls for financial support for the Earth Liberation Front, which has committed numerous documented acts of domestic terrorism. Another posting warns readers against cooperating with the FBI.
The Chronicle of Philanthropy reported that the Tides Center had given the Independent Media Center $376,000, ironically, from its "9/11 fund." The Independent Media Center serves as an organizing outpost for protests and was the virtual staging ground for the April 20, 2002, anti-war protest in Washington.

I'm seeing. It's hard to believe, but there it is. Maybe others will see too.