[Joe Brower]

[Squantos]

How does Dean, Vermonts D- grade on 2nd from HCI and the RAT's support for him equate.....?? Seems theres something to toss back into their smug little faces. Just not sure how to approach such .

Stay Safe

[AAABEST]

I gotta say Joe, for all of the socialism we've gotten lately, I've been happy with the way our lawmakers have for the most part left us alone. I think the 2000 election scared many of them off.

Yeah these grab-groups screech and squeal and a few municipalities act up, but it hasn't gotten much past that. In fact we've won a few with CCW etc. in many areas. Let's hope that the AWB goes away, I'd love to tweak out a few of my toys.

It's nice to be left the hell alone once in a while. As I said once things settle down a bit and I square things away I'm going to have you over.

[Eaker]

As always, thanks for the ping!!!!

Stay safe, stay armed,
Eaker

--MOLON LABE--

[blackie]

The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security!

Be Well ~ Be Armed ~ Be Safe ~ Molon Labe!

[gwmoore]

Thanks much for the heads up, Joe.

I went to their website, and it reminded me a lot of the old Communist disinformation technique. When one sees a pix of McCain, without some obvious disclaimer or used in a negative context, one knows that there is something rotten in Denmark--LOL---

What really scares me about this site is the fact that it ISNT vitriolic, the way most of the grabber's sites are, and its not "preachy". It would APPEAR, at first reading to be a legitimate site with "centrist" views. That being said, however, I worry that "average citizen" who encounters this site will be lulled into security by just such the absense of the aforementioned vitriol and preaching, and actually think this site was created by a self-defense advocacy group. These little buggers (the Dumbocrat/gungrabber/socialist-communist alliance) is getting smarter as time moves on.

Convincing the unknowing public of the Right To Keep and Bear Arms is significantly more difficult when they have been "educated" by such devious websites. I can picture having to debate with someone who gained knowledge from this site, as they will believe that the site is harmless and actually provides good information. Having debated people who buy into the "reasonable" theory before, I know what a heck of a time one can have trying to get any ideas across, for even the simplest RKBA arguments come off as extreme to someone thus informed.

Again, thanks for the heads up, it is now, more than ever, necessary to "Know Your Enemy".

Keep the Faith for Freedom

Greg

[philman_36]

Nothing like a little "Who's Who"...The Americans for Gun Safety Foundation
The Americans for Gun Safety Foundation, a project of the Tides Center, a Section 501(c)(3) non-profit organization, seeks to educate Americans on existing gun laws and new policy options for reducing access to guns by criminals and children and to promote responsible gun ownership. The AGS Foundation supports the rights of individuals to own firearms.

About Tides Center
Tides Center is part of the Tides family of organizations--a group of nonprofit organizations linked by a commitment to positive social change, innovation, and environmental sustainability. The Tides family--which includes Tides Center, Tides Foundation, Thoreau Center for Sustainability, and Groundspring.org--collaborate as partners, sharing ideas, technical systems, and an office complex.

And there is this tidbit from another site...ActivistCash.com
Now comes the Tides Foundation and its recent offshoot, the Tides Center, creating a new model for grantmaking -- one that strains the boundaries of U.S. tax law in the pursuit of its leftist, activist goals.
"Anonymity is very important to most of the people we work with." Tides Foundation founder Drummond Pike, quoted in The Chronicle of Philanthropy

[philman_36]

How Ford Funds the Left By William Bacon FrontPageMagazine.com | May 15, 2003
In part...For example, if someone wants to fund a left-wing movement, they make a fully tax-deductible donation to the Tides Foundation, for which the Foundation will take its share as mentioned. The Foundation will pass the funding along to the Tides Center, which will manage the organization, including hiring program and support staff, providing office space, financial management, employee benefits and legal advice; all for an 8 percent fee.
It becomes very easy to see how the Tides group can accumulate assets of almost $190 million (based on the combined 2001 annual reports). For a non-profit without a permanent endowment, relying almost entirely on contributions for its operations, the Tides group has done incredibly well for itself, financially.

[philman_36]

Why do I even bother any more? It does no good. Too few do the legwork.

[Travis McGee]

Just let a store owner NOT sell a pistol to a FUBU and crack pants wearing 21 year old (with no record etc) because "he looked like a gang member."

He'll be slammed with a civil rights law suit so fast his head will spin.

Then five years later, after changing hands five times, the gun is used in a crime. Who do the lefties blame?

The original gun store seller, of course!

[in the Arena]

BTTT..philman, thanks for the research...