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To: Swordmaker
you just proved you do not know at all what you are talking about.

The New testament was written in Greek, and the OT was writtenin Hebrew.

Not Latin.

I tried, and you refuse to see the obvous. That is a shame.
82 posted on 01/24/2004 12:10:55 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
you just proved you do not know at all what you are talking about.

You are insulting, RaceBannon.

It is you, Race, who is reading into words in the New Testement meanings that ARE NOT THERE. It is you who is confabulating Egyptian burial practices with Jewish. It is YOU, Race, that is making an extraordinary claim. It is you who is claiming, against all Biblical scholarship, that the Christians who for 2000 years have observed Good Friday as the day of Jesus's crucifixion, are wrong. It is you who insists on applying a Western mind set to an inherently Eastern document. It is you who idly sweeps aside 100 years of scholarly research on the Shroud, dismissing it as Jesus's Shroud, merely on YOUR interpretation of words in an ENGLISH Bible. It is you who ignores the fine work of many centuries of scholars and hoist your own viewpoint above that of any other. It is you who fails to understand.

I suggest that while you know all about your opinion, you do not know all about the subject. Neither do I. It is you, however, who is absolutely certain that your opinion is the correct one.

As for your insulting and absurd claim that I was unaware that the Jewish Bible is written in Hebrew...

I know full well that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew. Technically, most of it was oral tradition that was finally put into written form fairly late in the history of the Jewish people. If you want to be technical, the Jews do not refer to their Holy Writings by the name of "Bible" except as a Christian era common reference. It is most commonly called the Tanakh.

Did you see me, anywhere in this thread, refer to Old Testement writings? No, you don't. You are just attempting to disrupt the conversation here... and you have succeeded.

WE were talking about CHRISTIAN BIBLES. Bibles that are used by Christians in the Roman Catholic Church were written in LATIN... not Hebrew, not Aramaic, not even in Greek (The Eastern Orthodox Church uses Greek from its very beginning). Race, SHOW ME A ROMAN CATHOLIC OR PROTESTANT CHRISTIAN BIBLE THAT HAS THE OLD TESTEMENT IN HEBREW! I doubt you will find one outside of a "Jews for Jesus" meeting hall.

But all of that is irrelevant to the discussion that was taking place on THIS thread. WE WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT JEWISH BIBLES!

I did you the courtesy of assuming you had a reasonable degree of understanding of the topic on the table... Bibles that Christians use... and the fact that the Western Church Bibles, up until the Reformation, were written in LATIN, the official Church Language. I did not think it necessary to explain what we were NOT talking about. If I were to include everything we are NOT TALKING ABOUT in every reply and about every topic, this thread would be extremely LONG.

Pardon me for my mistake. I gave you too much credit: You do not understand what we are discussing. In fact, you are UNreasonable. in the truest sense of the word.

If you want to believe in your own little religion based on your personal research and opinion, that is fine with me. You will be alone in your worship as the majority of Christians believe that Jesus was crucified on a Friday, that the Last Supper was a Passover, and any who bother to do the research will find that the burial customs of Jews did not require them to swath the entire body in cloths or to wrap it up like a mummy.

No one here CARES about your pet theory that, contrary to 2000 years of tradition, and tons of scholarship, Jesus was crucified on Wednesday. No, in your mind, you are 100% right.

I have shown you the usage. I have shown you the original Greek. I have posted the Greek definitions and implications... Yet YOU insist on returning to an outdated, but poetic, KING JAMES BIBLE as though it is the original source document. It is not. It is merely one of many flawed translations of the original source documents... flawed because the Language it was written in, at the time it was written, lacked certain equivalent words to accurately translate the original Koine Greek (a somewhat non-Greek form of Greek that developed as a "linga franca" for trade and popular usage).

When your argument fails, you insult people. That is rude. When they disagree with you, you imply they are ignorant. I am tired of your petty insistance on YOUR interpretation of a word that does not carry the connotation you want give it no matter how much you rant and rave.

The "obvious," Race, is in YOUR opinion... and I am not ashamed to disagree with your parochial viewpoint.

83 posted on 01/24/2004 2:52:36 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: RaceBannon
In your defense, Race, I will grant you that one sentence in my explanation was somewhat unclear...

"The original books of the Bible were written in Greek..." should have read:

"the original books of the Bible's New Testement were written in Greek..."

But you should have caught that from the context of the discussion.

84 posted on 01/24/2004 3:01:17 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: RaceBannon; Swordmaker
The New testament was written in Greek, and the OT was writtenin Hebrew. Not Latin.

Uh, swordmaker didn't say that at all--in fact, he said the opposite. Did you actually read his whole post #80? It was quite compelling if you ask me.
108 posted on 01/25/2004 12:56:52 PM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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