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23 years and counting: H-P's calculator, a relic by today's standards, is still selling strong
Austin American Statesman ^ | January 19, 2004 | Bob Keefe

Posted on 01/19/2004 8:49:58 AM PST by kennedy

In an industry where a year or two can be an eternity in a product's life span, one unsung product has stood the test of time.

While other companies were unveiling their latest futuristic gadgets at the recent Consumer Electronics Show, Hewlett-Packard Co. was showing off a relic: the little HP 12c calculator, which the company says is the oldest consumer electronic device still in production. It's still going strong.

H-P first started selling the financial calculator in 1981, the same year IBM Corp. introduced the personal computer. Today, with very few changes, the 12c is still H-P's best-selling calculator. With its mortgage-amortization and bond-calculation functions, it is as essential to many real estate salespeople as a smile and firm handshake.

When introduced, the calculator sold for about $150 -- more than $350 when adjusted for inflation. Today, it retails for about $70.

Dennis Harms was the project manager in H-P's research and development department who was responsible for rolling out the HP 12c.

One reason the device is still popular, he said, is that H-P got national testing boards to approve it and convinced schools and real estate groups to endorse it.

But the biggest reason the calculator has been so successful, Harms said, is its simplicity and reliability.

"You could put it in your shirt pocket, the batteries lasted forever, and it's all you ever needed," said Harms, who still works for H-P, now in its printer division. He said he still has a prototype version of the calculator and uses it frequently.

Fred Valdez, manager of H-P's calculator division, said the company regularly gets letters from customers with their HP 12c war stories.

A zookeeper wrote to tell the company how his calculator was eaten by a hippo but still worked -- after a little cleaning -- when it came out the animal's other end a few days later, Valdez said. Another customer wrote to say her 12c outlasted several marriages.

With testimonials such as these, there's no reason to quit producing the device, even in this age of all-in-one gadgets that can do everything the 12c does and more, Valdez said.

"We intend to keep it in the family," he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hewlettpackard; hp; hp12c
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To: kennedy
You have geeks coming out of the woodwork here. LOL
41 posted on 01/19/2004 9:42:34 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Ya' mean there are other kinds of fish besides Trout?)
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To: Jack Black
http://hpshopping.speedera.net/www.shopping.hp.com/shopping/images/products/f2232a_400.jpg
42 posted on 01/19/2004 9:44:01 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
I have a HP-16C which does hexadecimal. I never saw anything to replace it, but then, I never needed a replacement.

I also have an earlier HP-25 model which I once programmed for base conversions.

43 posted on 01/19/2004 9:45:58 AM PST by SteveH
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To: SteveH
the 48 will do the base conversions. It will also allow numbers to be input in other bases. Math functions work on whatever the current base is set to.

Made life so much easier in college.
44 posted on 01/19/2004 9:49:25 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Ya' mean there are other kinds of fish besides Trout?)
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To: kennedy
I recently crushed 12-C number three and went into a panick when an Office Depot clerk told me they had been discontinued. Fortunately, Office Max hadn't heard the news. ;)
45 posted on 01/19/2004 9:52:34 AM PST by Starrgaizr
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To: kennedy
Bought my first HP12c in January, 1982 while working on my MBA, for access to financial functions beyond the reach of my Texas Instruments calculator. What a great device. And the RPN - not only is it more functional, it enhances my prestige by intmidating my boss. You can't put a price tag on that.
46 posted on 01/19/2004 9:58:49 AM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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To: kennedy
True. I haven't found anything else that compares with my HP 27S either. The solver equations in the manuals (got 'em all) is well worth the price of the calculator.
47 posted on 01/19/2004 10:00:04 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: tallhappy
Reverse Polish Notation -- the greatest.

I agree...can't use TI (uses A.O.S. - alg. op. sys.) H-P s' are the Best...to bad they aren't as widespread today...cheaper, less capable calculators Dominate the market. I've got a H-P 49G (and 48GX).

48 posted on 01/19/2004 10:03:01 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: Nick Danger
Dang. Looks like my old Rockwell.

Staring at my Palm Vx and wondering why people still use calculators.
49 posted on 01/19/2004 10:03:20 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: toast
Me too... one of the solar credit card sized ones, that ONLY works if there is sunlight or strong interior lighting. Uses some pressure sensitive pads for the keys and is more or less indestructible.

I also have a TI Programmer whose battery failed a long time ago but included the connector for a regular 9v battery. Have been using it this way for about 18 years to do HEX & occasionally OCTAL (as well as just a regular 4 function calculator of course). Absolutely amazing these early calculators.

When I went to japan 10 years ago I saw an 8 pack of...

toilet paper

with a simple taiwanese four function calculator included in the package as a bonus (!!!)

50 posted on 01/19/2004 10:10:09 AM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: avg_freeper; husky ed
My 48g is no slower than i can input!

Funny, but i find that similar to people who can't type complaining their computer is too slow. Then again, that is only using the basic functions. I forgot long ago how to do the heavy math, as i don't need it for my work.
51 posted on 01/19/2004 10:15:19 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Just hanging around waiting until next years Dakar rally.)
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To: Doohickey
I have a TI-35 puchased when I was in Navy tech school in 1984. Still the most reliable, feature-rich, easy to use non-programmable calculator I've ever owned.

Ditto. I have had a TI-35 since elementary school; first the battery-operated version, and then when I lost that about a year later, the solar-powered version, which is still going strong to this day, though I tend to rely more on the calculator function in my Pilot these days (despite being annoyed that its firmware doesn't have the scientific functions of its predecessor).

52 posted on 01/19/2004 10:59:04 AM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
You are confusing imaginary and fantasy.
53 posted on 01/19/2004 11:03:35 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: kennedy
I've never replaced the 12C I bought in the early 80s. I have, otoh, bought a couple during the spans when I thought I'd lost it.
54 posted on 01/19/2004 11:05:10 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: kennedy
Have my 12C from around the same time. Best investment I ever made. Takes up very little space and works like a charm.

Pray for W and Our Brave Troops

55 posted on 01/19/2004 11:05:42 AM PST by bray (The Wicked Witch of NY and Her 9 Flying Monkeys are In Flames!)
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To: tallhappy
Reverse Polish Notation -- the greatest.

Gotta agree.

I still use my HP-41CX, which I went out and bought immediately after using a "regular" calculator to crunch numbers from a wind tunnel lab. It cost $300 in 1983, and I've never once regretted the expense.

56 posted on 01/19/2004 11:07:52 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Cboldt
There are quite a few out there, last I looked. Under linux, for example, just do "xcalc -rpn"

Excellent tip! I was talking with a co-worker just this past friday about RPN calculators and did a few searches looking for a good clone of the hp-12c. Xcalc aint pretty, but it's already there, and it works!

It is an amazing testament to the folks who engineered the 12c that the thing is still being sold, virtually unchanged after all these years. Of course, it was developed back when Hewlett and Packard were still there, and the company was run mostly my engineers. I've got an old "test and measurement" catalog from HP that has some amazing things in it. I always wanted an atomic clock of my very own.

An interesting sidebar about that atomic clock ($16,000)... In the notes on the page, it said it must be shipped overland to ensure accuracy of the clock as it was set at the factory, and the difference in the distance from the gravitational center of the earth experienced on an airplane would cause it to drift from "true" time by a measureable (though miniscule) amount during the flight.

57 posted on 01/19/2004 11:14:45 AM PST by zeugma (The Great Experiment is over.)
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To: Jack Black
10C, 11C, 15C, 12C, 16C
Can't remember what all the different models were.

IIRC, 10, 11 & 15 are engineering; 12 is financial; and 16 is boolean/hex/computer programmer.

58 posted on 01/19/2004 11:22:57 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: zeugma
I've got an old "test and measurement" catalog from HP that has some amazing things in it.

Old Leeds & Northrup catalogs are pretty cool, too.

59 posted on 01/19/2004 11:27:11 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: kennedy
Wasn't the first HP introduced in about 1974 or '75? Seems I recall a mining engineer student with a HP 30 (?) that had the whole engineering and science departments in an up-roar. I recall them being forbiden during exams. I do remember not being able to afford one.
60 posted on 01/19/2004 11:31:06 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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