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Posted on 01/18/2004 5:53:14 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Female, forty and furious January 19, 2004 - 11:24AM

On the attack ... Sharon Stone, Holly Hunter and Meg Ryan.

Hollywood's most formidable female stars have united to condemn "sexist" film moguls for failing to find roles for women over 40.

Meg Ryan, Holly Hunter, Charlotte Rampling, Sharon Stone and Whoopi Goldberg are among a group of 30 actresses who have taken part in a documentary by Rosanna Arquette to be screened in Britain this summer.

The documentary is seen as a thinly veiled attack on moguls such as Harvey Weinstein - the portly co-owner of Miramax - who control the film industry and the careers of Hollywood actresses.

Arquette, 44, who rose to fame when she starred opposite Madonna in the 1985 film Desperately Seeking Susan, said that her interest in what happened to 40-year-old women in Hollywood was sparked by the experience of

Debra Winger, the star of Terms of Endearment, who announced that she was quitting in 1996 aged 40. "Ageing," Arquette said this week, "equals career death."

In the documentary, called Searching For Debra Winger, Winger, who has been nominated for three Oscars, tells how she decided to quit and reveals that while she was working on An Officer And a Gentlemen the notorious producer Don Simpson told her that she needed diet pills.

Julianna Margulies, 37, who starred in ER opposite George Clooney, speaks frankly about the rigours of the casting couch. "You ask anyone that has been in those [audition] meetings. They say, 'Yeah that actress is great but would you f*** her?' And they ask all the men in the room."

The documentary will provoke heated debate in Hollywood, which has long been accused of discriminating against women for their age and beauty. Arquette told London's Sunday Telegraph that she had already received criticism from film bosses. "There are a lot of misogynistic men who are very angry about it," she said. "They've told me, 'It's just a bunch of chicks sitting around bitching about us'."

In the film, Daryl Hannah, 43, says that the root of the problem lies "with the guys who run the studios. They choose projects that they identify with and they say, 'I'd like to be that man having an affair with a chick of 18'."

Samantha Mathis, 33, agrees. "It's the revenge of the nerds syndrome, all these guys couldn't get a girlfriend in high school. They are smart but they have no social skills; suddenly they are running studios in a position of power."

Arquette's subjects are candid and often angry about the way the industry has spat them out once they have aged. Martha Plimpton, 33, says: "For women it's either, she's a starlet or she's an old hag." Whoopi Goldberg adds that film producers "want you to think that you're done" once actresses had turned 40.

Arquette, who is currently filming another documentary about musicians, continues to act and has recently been filming two comedies with the British actresses Imogen Stubbs and Jennifer Saunders.

She says that certain elements of Hollywood have always annoyed her. "I find it offensive that in Hollywood a 68-year-old movie star is paired with a 30-year-old, or someone even younger. You think, 'Come on, who are you kidding'. It is offensive."

Other interviewees said that they had financial problems when the parts dried up. Theresa Russell, 46, says: "It was really hard, I didn't get an audition for years and I started running out of money. I thought, what else can I do? I resent being in this situation. They want to put you out to pasture."

In any other profession, she says, "your work would get better the older you got". Holly Hunter, 45, who won an Oscar for The Piano, believes actresses are at their peak at 40. "The deal is that actresses who are good have probably never been better once they hit 40. Once I hit 40 I had charms that I didn't have when I was 30 and I want to use them."

Teri Garr, 53, who has appeared in more than 50 films, including Tootsie, insists that films should reflect the existence of older women in real life. "There are people who are my age and older who still exist in the world, so there should be writers who write stories that include them. There should be parts for us, even if they are smaller."

She adds: "I remember when I was young the great actresses telling me, 'Wait till they tell you your face has been ravaged by time'."

Diane Lane, 39, dislikes the vocabulary used to describe older women's looks. "If you want to live you must age. Beauty has to be a certain way [in Hollywood]." If you age, she says, "it is described as 'damaged beauty' or 'sad beauty' or 'aged beauty'." She adds: "Character actresses will always work freely because they are not coming from the immaculate time when one looked perfect." Adrienne Shelley, 38, the star of The Unbelievable Truth, tells of how much sex plays a part of being a Hollywood actress. She says: "I get a call in my car on the way to an audition from the agent. He said, 'What is really important is that they think you are f***able'.

"The man walks in and looks right at my tits and I saw in his face that there was no way I was going to get the part. And yet in the real world there is no way I would give this guy the time of day."

Lane urges women to make more of an issue of the problem. "When women don't want to talk about these issues it is so awful," she says. "Hiding away just perpetuates the problem.

"Women want to watch other women of their own age sometimes. All these young people are great but let them watch each other. We want to watch us."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: actress; aging; castingcouch; hollyweird; hollywood
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To: exit82
I used to know a guy who's a very well known journalist and film writer, who has said that Terri Garr was by far his worst interview subject. She was continualy sniping at each and everyone of his questions. She was actually one of only two bad interview experiences hed had, the other being Tim Robbins, whom he called an "obnoxious schmuck" or something close. Mind you, one of his best friends is Harlan Ellison.
161 posted on 01/18/2004 7:50:50 PM PST by RightWingAtheist
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To: cyncooper
I agree. I know many women over 40 who look pretty darn good. And we have the smarts and the experience to go with it...
162 posted on 01/18/2004 7:52:09 PM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: LisaMalia
Me too!
163 posted on 01/18/2004 7:52:56 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: LisaMalia
High five, Sister!
164 posted on 01/18/2004 7:53:37 PM PST by cyncooper ("We call evil by its name")
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To: Senator Pardek
You too, (high five, that is...hehehe)
165 posted on 01/18/2004 7:54:08 PM PST by cyncooper ("We call evil by its name")
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To: LisaMalia
Sports doesn't have anything to do with looks. If a woman loses her acting ability after 40, she should get out of the business.

But that is a big part of the problem - these women didn't have ability to begin with. They were always eye candy. In a few years, Halle Berry will have to complain about age-ism as well as racism: hot babes can get away with no talent, but a 50 year old woman (Davis, Hepburn) needs talent.

Here's another reason - movies are made for teenagers, not adults. And here's some more:

Sex is easy. Romance is hard.

Violence is easy. Suspense is hard.

Special effects are easy. Memorable dialog is hard.

Someone promoting a movie-to-be with sex, violence, and special effects can deliver. Someone promoting a movie-to-be with romance, suspense, and memorable dialog can only hope. Since the former can be guaranteed, and since it sells - we get a lot of it.

166 posted on 01/18/2004 7:54:45 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
Farah was 50 in that and hotter than hell
167 posted on 01/18/2004 7:54:56 PM PST by cincysux
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To: Joe Hadenuf
My friend was sued for age discrimination. He won. I would advise anyone who suspects to document carefully. Discrimination lawsuits esp. age ones are VERY hard to prove.
168 posted on 01/18/2004 7:57:01 PM PST by cyborg (feed marmite to the prisoners and they'll never go there again)
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To: Sub-Driver
The took the parts when they were young, and in doing so they supported the stereotypes.

What goes around...

Whoopi Goldberg is an odd one in this mix. She NEVER was a looker. Great comedienne, great timing, great acting skills, imho. (Too bad all these ladies are liberals.)

They should save their dollars and invest for a slim future. And they should turn to writing and creating scripts that work for them.

169 posted on 01/18/2004 8:00:48 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of it!)
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To: cyncooper; WIladyconservative
And one point I did absolutely agree with was the comment that having a 68 year old man paired with a 30 year old woman on screen is not only ludicrous but offensive.

But these same lefty actresses weren't offended when a 50ish Bill Clinton, "did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky." when she was 21. Rather hypocritical don't you think!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1060610/posts?page=123#123

170 posted on 01/18/2004 8:02:25 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Mr Rogers
I find something very intriguing in your post. You make no mention of male actors, and their "sellability" after the age of 40. You might want to address that one.
171 posted on 01/18/2004 8:02:50 PM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: LisaMalia
Who knows? Speaking of cadavers, Paul Newman has really lost it all, hasn't he? My goodness he looks old.

You know though I'm 47, I think I still look pretty doggone good, and I still have younger men come on to me quite often. So either they think I'm younger than I am, or they like a well preserved, still succulent spinster.

Now granted, I don't have the body I had at 20, but so what, I don't have the lack of brains either. I wouldn't go back to that age for anything. I don't mind aging at all. But I'll tell you what, I could only date a younger man, if he never talked. I hate it when they talk.

172 posted on 01/18/2004 8:03:10 PM PST by AlbionGirl ("Ha cambiato occhi per la coda.")
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To: Sub-Driver
If they want movies that they want to watch, why don't they front the money and get someone to write it for them, so they have a medium to star in? Oh, that's right......

Almost no one would watch them! That's why there is WE and Lifetime: for the 40-something crowd.

I can't say much... I'm heading up there also....

173 posted on 01/18/2004 8:03:12 PM PST by Maigrey (Never post anything that will make your husband or the IRS hate you! - Jim Robinson)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Any actress, or woman, worth a grain of salt was disgusted by Bill Clinton and his attitudes towards women. That's why I keep track of all celebrities and their political opinions, male and female.
174 posted on 01/18/2004 8:06:05 PM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: All
Sounds like the old saying, live by the sword, die by the sword and their swords are getting rusty...
175 posted on 01/18/2004 8:08:02 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: LisaMalia
Any actress, or woman, worth a grain of salt was disgusted by Bill Clinton and his attitudes towards women.

I didn't notice any, especially the ones mentioned in this article.

176 posted on 01/18/2004 8:08:06 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Jacquline Bisset. Still going strong at 60.


177 posted on 01/18/2004 8:08:39 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (arabed - verb: lower in esteem; hurt the pride of [syn: mortify, chagrin, humble, abase, humiliate])
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To: Senator Pardek
Quit lying. You're not 40 yet!
178 posted on 01/18/2004 8:11:27 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick ("Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent" -- John Maynard Keynes)
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To: AlbionGirl
"You know though I'm 47, I think I still look pretty doggone good, and I still have younger men come on to me quite often."

I am also 47, and have been hit on by younger men many times as well. I mean men in their 20s. I politely turn them down. Funny, I've had so many of my girlfriends to tell me to "go younger".

Sometimes I wish I could just let my inhibitions go, and enjoy the moment..LOL.

179 posted on 01/18/2004 8:12:44 PM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
They get into a "profession" where looks are everything and then whine when their looks begin to fade.

Actors are idiots.

180 posted on 01/18/2004 8:15:18 PM PST by beckett
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