[Reaganwuzthebest]

There is nothing conservative about this plan. Who does Flake think he's kidding?

[Southack]

Bush's plan encourages illegals to register themselves and their employers. Once registered, we know where they live and work. That eases our task of enforcing the law.

Then Bush's new immigration makes them all go home after 3 years in order to apply for more time here.

Thus, they deport themselves finally, a far better solution than using force to militarily round up 8 million illegals, house them in temporary concentration camps, and eventually march them home in great masses like battlefield refugees.

Ergo, Bush's plan makes far too much sense. We should endlessly complain about it.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

A Congressman Flake tells us amnesty is wonderful Ping.

[joesnuffy]

Conservative whats?....conservative 3rd way Rifkinites perhaps

[WayneM]

I see Mr. Flake really has his finger on the pulse of the conservative voter. Knows 'em like the back of his own hand.

[FairOpinion]

A perspective to consider.

[FairOpinion]

A very sensible analysis of Bush's plan.

[alnick]

Did you even read the article? If you did, did you read it with an open mind?

[quack]

Here we go again with the same old,same old.It's like democrat deja vu all over again.Keep repeating something over and over and people will begin to believe it.

First, conservatives value national security, and the status quo encourages anything but national security. The presence of 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens within the confines of our borders should prompt the type of reform the president has suggested.

President Bush's proposal will ensure smarter border enforcement by redirecting resources for border security and the war on terrorism away from the dishwashers and landscapers who are trying to cross the border illegally and toward the smugglers and terrorists who are attempting to cross the border for purposes far more nefarious than filling jobs that American workers are not taking.

If border security wouldn't work for keeping out Mexicans,why will it work on terrorists?Who's to say the "dishwashers and landscapers" aren't working for a terrorist organization?I mean,those good ol' boys from Saudi Arabia were just here for flying lessons,remember?

We can try to tighten up border enforcement even more than we already have (we've already increased spending on border enforcement six-fold over the past 20 years), but as long as the United States offers foreign workers more opportunity for work than their home countries do, people will risk their lives to cross the border.

There in lies another problem.If they're so hard working and upstanding folk,why don't they fix the problem at home?Instead,they take the easy route and bail on their own country.

According to Steven Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies, "A real effort to control the border with Mexico would require perhaps 20,000 agents and the development of a system of formidable fences and other barriers along those parts of the border used for illegal crossings."

Yawn!Punish employers who give them jobs.It's done for discrimination,why can't we do it for employing illegals?

It should also be noted that some 40 percent of those illegally in the United States first entered the country legally and then overstayed their visas. Even if we did manage to seal the border from illegal crossings, the problem would still be with us. Clearly, we can't solve this problem through border enforcement alone.

He just admits that,though here legally to begin with,they choose to break the law instead of go home,like they were supposed to do.

A temporary worker program, coupled with serious workplace enforcement, would bring those who are in the shadows out into the open. Temporary workers would be registered. We would finally know who they are, how long they've been here, and when they must return to their home country or change their status.

heeheehee!See how well that has worked in the above paragraph.

Again, the "carrot" of a temporary worker program must be coupled with the "stick" of workplace enforcement. With a reasonable legal avenue available, workers should have no excuse for not utilizing it and employers should have no excuse for hiring those who do not.

Except that when they don't hire them,they'll be sued for discriminating against the "guest worker".

The latter point is important. Conservatives respect the law. Our current immigration laws, everyone will agree, are so convoluted and out of touch with how people actually organize their lives that it does not foster respect for the law. If we want the law to be enforced, we need to have a law that can realistically be enforced given our labor needs. Which brings me to another point. Conservatives recognize that America has a need for labor that Americans are unable or unwilling to fill.

The coup de gras of all pro illegal alien articles.The jobs Americans won't do.Sorry,but that myth has been debunked over and over.

Do these people all get a memo outlining the same crap?Reminds me of when the dems were in power and everyone was spouting the "disenfranchised" rhetoric.

[Spiff]

[Brimack34]

It can't help that Pres. Fox is a dipstick who thinks he run's the USA. If we make him fix his own country before any action is taken it would help. If we took over Mexico-used it's tourism,oil,gas and ports to advance the Country their people would stay home.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

President Bush's proposal will ensure smarter border enforcement by redirecting resources for border security and the war on terrorism away from the dishwashers and landscapers who are trying to cross the border illegally and toward the smugglers and terrorists who are attempting to cross the border for purposes far more nefarious than filling jobs that American workers are not taking.

Lets see ,,,,, Make a law break a law rewrite the law to break it easier or just ignore the law for 50 years or so and when it comes up again rewrite the law and then break the law so it can be broken more easily then rewrite the law one more time to find certain law breakers but let the not so bad law breakers get away with breaking the law

What was the reason we have laws again ?

[junta]

This ought to be posted under a special section, "Lettuce shortage catastrophe" or something like that.

[HennepinPrisoner]

I am not even going to bother to read what this amnesty-cheerleadering journo has to say. I have read far too many articles here on FR and thus far not one has convinced me that this plan will be anything but an economic disaster for lower and middle income workers in America.

I think this guy has spent way too much time setting up those water stations in the Arizona desert...tends to fry the brain.

[WOSG]

"Again, the "carrot" of a temporary worker program must be coupled with the "stick" of workplace enforcement. With a reasonable legal avenue available, workers should have no excuse for not utilizing it and employers should have no excuse for hiring those who do not. "

Wait a second .... that's my metaphor!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1059957/posts

[dennisw]

What a lie. Flake is a sell out on immigration and has been so for a long time. Must be those huge agribiz campaign contributions.

[lewislynn]

Bush Offers Migrant Plan Conservatives Can Support

After hearing President Bush's speech, do you (normally, typically, conservative, Bush supporting Freepers) approve of his immigration reform plan?

Yes - 21%

No - 67%

Undecided - 11%

There you have it, is that so difficult for them to comprehend?

[Fledermaus]

Been there, done that. Heard all of this in 1986 when Reagan gave them amnesty and we "forced" business, through the use of the I-9 form that is never looked at by the INS, to police the hiring of actual citizens.

Result, natural born Americans had to prove their citizenship when hired for a new job but the illegals were still hired by the unscrupulous (how else did you think 8-12 million got in during the last 17 years?).

[RiflemanSharpe]

I believe a temporary worker program is consistent with conservative principles, and here's why.


The author is entitled to his opinion, but to my way of thinking this proposal is nothing more then hispandering. There is nothing conservative about it.

[yoe]

"President Bush's proposal will ensure smarter border enforcement by redirecting resources for border security and the war on terrorism away from the dishwashers and landscapers who are trying to cross the border illegally and toward the smugglers and terrorists who are attempting to cross the border for purposes far more nefarious than filling jobs that American workers are not taking."

This is precisely the point that all should be aware of, there is a far more sinister illegal alien force crossing our borders daily.... from Central America, Cuba, Middle East, and South America who are attempting to bring the Terrorist War home to America. They are being brought across via car, vans and on foot – stopping these aliens is the object of the President’s proposals – Green Card laborers are just that, day to week workers who have no intention of becoming a citizen, they just do the work and then leave. The others plan great harm for the United States and form cells across the land. They must be found and deported ASAP. As for those Green Card workers who try to 'disappear' into the land; over staying their visas; under the new proposals they will be found and deported. It is the Congress you must watch like a hawk!

Here are just a few rules and regs. that must be changed, the new proposals will help.

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There are far more than these few that need changing.