Sensational News: Joan of Arc was not executed. She died at 57

Pravda ^ | 1/17/04 | RIA "Novosti"

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Sensational News: Joan of Arc was not executed. She died at 57

01/17/2004 16:25

A Ukrainian anthropologist Sergey Gorbenko claims that Joan of Arc was not burned at the stake. She lived till 57.

He was able to reach such conclusion after examining several skulls of the French royal family of Ludwig XI at the Notre Dame de Cleri Cathedral near Orleans, reports Ukrainian newspaper "Uryadovy cur"r" ("The Government's courier").

In the course of his studies, the anthropologist revealed that a skull which used to be considered to belong to the king himself, in fact belongs to a woman. Authentic king"s skull turned out to be previously considered skull of his wife Charlotte.

Later, Gorbenko discovered that the King's wife has died at 38. The skull he examined however belonged to a 55-57 year-old-woman. After carefully examining the remains, correspondence of the royal family members, numerous engravings and chronics, it appeared obvious that "the woman whose skull had been mistaken for that of King Ludwig XI for 100 years, turned out to be Joan of Arc herself," tells Gorbenko.

Ukrainian anthropologist was haunted by doubts regarding a sixteen-year-old peasant girl's ability to wear heavy knight's amour. Some of the survived letters of Joan of Arc indicate that she was extremely knowledgeable person, thus disproving a preconceived notion of being a mere peasant from Lorraine.

As it was later determined, the original Joan of Arc was in fact Margarita d"Champdiver, later Valua. She was am illegitimate child of King Karl VI and his mistress Odetta d'Champdiver. The king raised his daughter as a true warrior for self-defense, since both of his sons had been defeated>

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in a fight for the throne by Louis' supporters. In order to avenge himself, Karl VI has acknowledged his son in law Henry V of Lancaster as his successor. Majority of French nobleman accepted King"s proposal lawful and did not resist the Englishmen.

Karl VII did not have any legitimate rights for the throne. He had to use God"s ideology and protection in a fight for power. It was during this time that a new legend of a virgin who is destined to save France is being created. This role was assigned to Margarita d'Champdiver.

After numerous victories, Joan of Arc's began to annoy Margarita and Karl VII. Such constant female's leadership was becoming too dangerous for the army. Besides, margarita was planning to start a family. So a precise plan had been developed according to which Joan d'Arc was supposed to disappear for good. However, Englishmen took another woman captive. Instead of burning d'Champdiver at stake, a different woman had been executed.

Several facts indicate Joan d'Arc was buried and not burnt. For instance, the woman's (pseudo Joan d'Arc) face was cloaked when she was burnt at the stake on May 30, 1431. There also exists a burial tomb where one can clearly see the virgin's seal.

Ukrainian anthropologist claims, "I did not discover anything that could discredit Joan of Arc. She was a magnificent leader, a true believer in God, a loyal wife and a kind mother. Can these facts sabotage her sainthood?"

Gorbenko is certain that "Papa and Vatican are entitled to canonize Joan of Arc and no scientific discoveries can disprove this."

[EternalVigilance]

In Russian, 'Pravda' means 'truth'.

But we all know how truthful Pravda has been in the past.

I'm highly skeptical of this story, to say the least.

EV

[VOA]

Sensational News: Joan of Arc was not executed. She died at 57

How long before Joan of Arc is hooked into "The DaVinci Code"?

[Cicero]

the original Joan of Arc was in fact Margarita d"Champdiver, later Valua. She was am illegitimate child of King Karl VI and his mistress Odetta d'Champdiver

Actually she was the daughter of Helen Thomas, who is now 600 years old, as you can plainly see from recent pictures.

[VOA]

But we all know how truthful Pravda has been in the past.

Well, if the employment situation in American journalism is anything like
it is in academic science (influx of lots of USSR/Eastern European workers)...
I tend to think that best of the Cold-War-Era journalists of Pravda (and Isvestia)
are now chief editors at The NY Times, Los Angeles Times, Washington Post,
and lots of mainstream news outlets.

OK, a few of them are probably at The Guardian and the BBC! Not to mention CNN.

[mvonfr]

This is BS.

We all know that she is still alive and Chiraq keeps her in one of his torture dungeons.

[unspun]

A lot of conjecture for a bit of evidence.

[mware]

How long before Joan of Arc is hooked into "The DaVinci Code"?

That is exactly what I was thinking.

[savedbygrace]

But what about the girl with x-ray vision? That sound interesting.

[savedbygrace]

sound = sounds

[xsmommy]

me too! i was going to say, how do we know she wasn't the Holy Grail.

[TommyDale]

Oh, my God!!!! This should be in Breaking News!! (/sarcasm)

[martin_fierro]

Arrgh!

[fnord]

This just in ...

Joan of Arc is still dead!

[Fintan]

Hopefully, this means Hollywood will stop producing really bad movies about her life.

[Grut]

Sigh. It's grant application time once again.

[Peter Libra]

Interesting. Could be an old story though. Simply attack some established belief with a sort of pseudo-science and wait for the outrage- and possibly the dollars to roll in. Still, maybe a gentle scam, nothing hateful.

At this time permission is being sought to exhume a person who claimed to be Billy the Kid.

Quite possibly that hardly one on Gods green earth, figures anthing but that the kid was cut down by Garratt at Fort Sumner. Follow the money?. Lots of fun for those who like to rack the brains though. I know that Hillaire Belloc, author long gone, wrote an essay on the propensity of intellectual university types, to offer opposite versions of established facts- having fun checking my old used books. LOL.

[Lizavetta]

I'm sure as the 'research' progresses, they'll find that Joan of Arc was a lesbian, too.

...and a vegetarian.

...who favored universal health care.

[TalBlack]

This is rot!

Joan of Arc's life was EXTREMELY well chronicled.

She NEVER wore a knights "heavy "amour"", rather she wore a kit MADE FOR HER ALONE (and it was White, not dark, as in that depiction). "Arc" or D'Arc was a refrence to her parentage, it wasn't some title as it seems to be regarded in this story.

While Joan of Arc was very smart she was ILLITERATE! In the "brains" department she pretty much Beatach-slapped Bishop Cauchon, her MAIN tormentor, but she was not schooled at all. In fact you can read the trial today and be impressed and amused with her easy dismissal of Cauchon--a man and politician who was schooled to the nth degree!!!!

Where she came from and her history there WAS NEVER IN DOUBT!

This whole story reads like a lame attempt at humor.

[Doctor Stochastic]

I thought that it was generally accepted that Joan wasn't executed. I have heard (and read) that for at least 40 years. Of course, Robin Hood didn't exist either.