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"Trouble is, this three-year thing has to be enforced. Will it be enforced? Do you believe it?"

Yes, it will be enforced. Why will it be enforced *after* Bush's new immigration plan takes place, you ask, when the old laws weren't, however?

Glad you asked. The answer, of course, is that something in Bush's plan has *changed* the status quo.

Currently, our government doesn't "know" where all 8 million illegals live and work. All that it can currently do is to make random law enforcement raids to round up a few illegals here and there.

That makes for a big problem. Consider the effort that the NAZIs went to in order to round up 6 million Jews in Europe during WW2. That was a large project.

This one is even bigger. We've got 8 million undocumented illegals here.

What Bush's new plan does is to document them. By registering, they tell us where they live and who they work for.

And *registration* changes everything. It makes our problem much more manageable. Random raids and massive law enforcement resources become much less necessary. We no longer have to guess at where they are located. We no longer have to expend resources to just find them.

Bush's plan also requires that they all go home voluntarily after three years in order to apply for new extensions to work here. That form of voluntary self-deportation is precisely what Sabertooth is calling for in his editorial for this thread above, though he like you seems to be against Bush's plan that does that very thing.

So by *registering* and *self-deporting*, Bush's plan takes care of most of those 8 million. Those few illegals who choose to continue not playing by our rules will represent a much smaller logistical problem than our current 8 million illegals, too...thus giving us a fighting chance at being able to track them down with our limited resources.

Thus, I see these new rules being enforced. Enforcing these new rules is far more manageable than the old problem of attempting to use force and resources on all 8 million illegals.

And *registration* changes everything.

No, it changes nothing.

When they first enter, they tell us where they will live and who they work for. After that, it's the same old song and dance. They move and change employment and we are back where we started. It's not about registration; it's about tracking. How are we going to track them?

Why will it be enforced *after* Bush's new immigration plan takes place, you ask, when the old laws weren't, however?
Glad you asked. The answer, of course, is that something in Bush's plan has *changed* the status quo.

Currently, our government doesn't "know" where all 8 million illegals live and work. All that it can currently do is to make random law enforcement raids to round up a few illegals here and there.

The problem with this promise is that the Bush Administration knew exactly where the 100,000 new Illegal Alien absconders were the moment the verdicts were handed down in their deportation hearings.
They were released.

That makes for a big problem. Consider the effort that the NAZIs went to in order to round up 6 million Jews in Europe during WW2. That was a large project.

This one is even bigger. We've got 8 million undocumented illegals here.

Objection:
appeal to the Xenophobia option of the Bush Amnesty false dilemma.

And *registration* changes everything. It makes our problem much more manageable. Random raids and massive law enforcement resources become much less necessary. We no longer have to guess at where they are located. We no longer have to expend resources to just find them.

Random raids aren't necessary now. I can find thousands of Illegals for you, any day of the week.

Bush's plan also requires that they all go home voluntarily after three years in order to apply for new extensions to work here. That form of voluntary self-deportation is precisely what Sabertooth is calling for in his editorial for this thread above, though he like you seems to be against Bush's plan that does that very thing.

Incorrect, there is no such requirement. Your reading of the President's proposal is wishful thinking.
Therefore, this is nothing like my plan for self-deportation, where Illegals would leave without any Amnesty.

"Thus, I see these new rules being enforced. Enforcing these new rules is far more manageable than the old problem of attempting to use force and resources on all 8 million illegals."

Not me. I see "new rules" that will mean just as much to Illegals as the old rules. I see "new rules" that will cost Americans dearly in the form of lost jobs to unlimited cheaper foreign labor.

This re-newing of the arrangement every three years just simply does not ring true. I cannot see many employers wanting to renew when they can just bring in new meat every cycle at the lowest possible price.

Bush's plan also requires that they all go home voluntarily after three years

I think illegals are no different than many of us in that after 3 years of living in a place and having a job, they will adjust to their new surroundings and not want to go back ---especially because conditions in Mexico are worsening. How many of us have moved to a place or job and first said it was just temporary --- but even after a few months began to settle in and 10 years later are still there. 3 years isn't really temporary --- a few months might be and still provide stability for Mexico because that's where they would primarily live and build up.