[Sabertooth]

Why will it be enforced *after* Bush's new immigration plan takes place, you ask, when the old laws weren't, however?

Glad you asked. The answer, of course, is that something in Bush's plan has *changed* the status quo.

Currently, our government doesn't "know" where all 8 million illegals live and work. All that it can currently do is to make random law enforcement raids to round up a few illegals here and there.

The problem with this promise is that the Bush Administration knew exactly where the 100,000 new Illegal Alien absconders were the moment the verdicts were handed down in their deportation hearings.

They were released.

That makes for a big problem. Consider the effort that the NAZIs went to in order to round up 6 million Jews in Europe during WW2. That was a large project.

This one is even bigger. We've got 8 million undocumented illegals here.

Objection:

appeal to the Xenophobia option of the Bush Amnesty false dilemma.

And *registration* changes everything. It makes our problem much more manageable. Random raids and massive law enforcement resources become much less necessary. We no longer have to guess at where they are located. We no longer have to expend resources to just find them.

Random raids aren't necessary now. I can find thousands of Illegals for you, any day of the week.

Bush's plan also requires that they all go home voluntarily after three years in order to apply for new extensions to work here. That form of voluntary self-deportation is precisely what Sabertooth is calling for in his editorial for this thread above, though he like you seems to be against Bush's plan that does that very thing.

Incorrect, there is no such requirement. Your reading of the President's proposal is wishful thinking.

Therefore, this is nothing like my plan for self-deportation, where Illegals would leave without any Amnesty.

[Southack]

Bush's plan also requires that they all go home voluntarily after three years in order to apply for new extensions to work here. That form of voluntary self-deportation is precisely what Sabertooth is calling for in his editorial for this thread above, though he like you seems to be against Bush's plan that does that very thing.

"Incorrect, there is no such requirement." - Sabertooth

Then we disagree on a fact. One of us must be wrong, and that error will impact the rest of our logic, one presumes.

That is a key point worth resolving.

[Southack]

"Random raids aren't necessary now. I can find thousands of Illegals for you, any day of the week."

Mere thousands won't cut it. The scope of the problem is too large. There are 8 million illegals, and we currently don't know where they all are, hence, random raids *are* currently required...something that Bush's plan will change.