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Firefighters refuse to battle blaze, but watch
Tribune Chronicle ^ | 16 Jan 04 | JOHN GRANT EMEIGH

Posted on 01/16/2004 11:49:40 AM PST by AreaMan

Firefighters refuse to battle blaze, but watch

By JOHN GRANT EMEIGH

Tribune Chronicle

McKINLEY HEIGHTS - Firefighters from Niles watched a Weathersfield house burn for about 20 minutes Thursday afternoon without attempting to put it out because the fire occurred outside the city limits. Jason Radcliff said most of the items in his home at 2782 Robbins Ave. may have been saved if the Niles firefighters had acted immediately.

Instead, the Niles crew waited for the Weathersfield Fire Department to come and put out the blaze. Radcliff said Niles firefighters had three firetrucks at the scene and could have easily put out the fire.

''You don't just sit there and watch someone's livelihood burn,'' Radcliff said.

Capt. Randy Ciminero of the Niles Fire Department confirmed his firefighters mistakenly were dispatched to the scene because the fire originally was thought to have been in Niles.

Since the fire was not in the city's jurisdiction, Ciminero said his firefighters just waited to make sure no one was injured.

Radcliff, whose house was no more than 200 yards from Niles city limits, was angry the Niles firefighters didn't help.

''Don't call yourself a firefighter if you do something like that,'' he said.

The Niles firefighters said they would have done something if there was someone trapped in the house, but Ciminero said his department was not obligated to fight the fire.

Ciminero said he didn't want his firefighters tied up with this fire when they could have been called out to a fire in Niles.

''I'm paid by the city of Niles. I'm paid to protect the property of the people of Niles,'' he said.

Radcliff, who has rented the house for the past five years, said the fire was contained to one room when Niles firefighters arrived. However, the fire spread by the time firefighters from the Weathersfield station arrived.

It takes Weathersfield firefighters longer to respond to fires because it only has part-time firefighters who usually are not at the station when called.

The Niles department was dispatched to the fire because the 911 call was made from a cell phone, and all cell phone calls go to the Ohio State Highway Patrol in Southington. The patrol dispatcher mistakenly notified the Niles department about the fire because Robbins Avenue also runs through Niles.

Firefighters from Weathersfield's Station No. 40, who were eventually called about 1:10 p.m., put out the fire. An official from the Weathersfield department said the fire was contained to a room and part of the attic.

The cause of the fire was undetermined, the Fire Department reported.

One Weathersfield firefighter was taken to a local hospital after suffering breathing problems and was treated and released that day.

Weathersfield Fire Chief Randall Pugh was not available for comment.

Radcliff said he and his fiancee and their three children will have to stay in a hotel.

jemeigh@tribune-chronicle.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: fire; firefighters; governmentfailure
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1 posted on 01/16/2004 11:49:41 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan
What a bunch of heroes.
2 posted on 01/16/2004 11:51:03 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: AreaMan
Jason Radcliff was not their neighbor so they heeded Dean's advice to sit down?
3 posted on 01/16/2004 11:53:38 AM PST by DeFault User
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To: Sir Gawain
Basement-Savers
4 posted on 01/16/2004 11:54:07 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: AreaMan
Ciminero said his department was not obligated to fight the fire.

Obligated? My dad was a volunteer firefighter and I can't even fathom him having this attitude. I understand liability, needing to protect the property of their city, etc., but to just allow someone's house to burn? Amazing.

5 posted on 01/16/2004 11:54:11 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: AreaMan
Ciminero said his department was not obligated to fight the fire.

He's legally correct and morally wrong. Just as no one is under any legal obligation to save a drowning child. You can just stand there and watch them die, legally. Of course, callous inaction reveals what you really are inside.

6 posted on 01/16/2004 11:54:51 AM PST by JOAT
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To: AreaMan
Just a couple silly questions.

1) Why did he take his trucks (3 of them) and the men to the fire; if the fire was outside of his jurisdiction?

2) What is the cost addition of putting the fire out, over the costs incurred of rushing to the scene?

3) Does the Fireman still have a job?
7 posted on 01/16/2004 11:54:54 AM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: JOAT
Just as no one is under any legal obligation to save a drowning child.

Actually I think some places have negligence laws, so you would get in trouble for doing nothing. Unless you worked for the city of course.

8 posted on 01/16/2004 11:57:05 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Hodar
1) 911 dispatchter directed him to do so.

2) I've no idea.

3) I hope not.
9 posted on 01/16/2004 11:57:19 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: AreaMan
Sorta like the fire scene in "Gangs of New York".

FMCDH

10 posted on 01/16/2004 11:57:35 AM PST by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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To: AreaMan
I blame it on the lawsuit happy lawyers. It prevents people from doing the right thing.
11 posted on 01/16/2004 11:58:26 AM PST by Pest (I will choose Free Will!)
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To: Sir Gawain
There is more to this story than reported. If the faster Niles responders had not--then there would be only lawsuits against the Weathersfield pokies.

If the Niles quick responders had taken action, then received a call for their own jurisdiction--more $$$ for the lawyers when they didn't meet their local obligations post haste.

If the Niles firefighters had taken the fire to task--would they see any remuneration for their efforts? Would this not set a precedent for the Weathersfield pokies to rely upon their unfunded samaritan neighbors forever?

12 posted on 01/16/2004 12:00:16 PM PST by NautiNurse ('Rats will steal everything from your wallet to your underwear)
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To: AreaMan
The patrol dispatcher mistakenly notified the Niles department about the fire because Robbins Avenue also runs through Niles.

I smell lawsuit.

13 posted on 01/16/2004 12:00:38 PM PST by cruiserman
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To: Sir Gawain
Just as no one is under any legal obligation to save a drowning child.

Actually I think some places have negligence laws, so you would get in trouble for doing nothing.

That may be true in a few places. Point remains.

14 posted on 01/16/2004 12:02:15 PM PST by JOAT
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To: AreaMan
Unions!

No wonder why US companies would rather not deal with these scum and their bad attitudes.
15 posted on 01/16/2004 12:03:39 PM PST by Guillermo (It's tough being a Miami Dolphins fan)
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To: AreaMan
Most communities have agreements worked out for these situations, but this still happens a lot more than you might think. The rank and file firefighters want to go in and do the job. They can put themselves in the homeowners postion. It is city administration and unions that keep the firefighters on a short leash (including losing their jobs if they cross the line to help).

16 posted on 01/16/2004 12:03:51 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: NautiNurse
would they see any remuneration for their efforts?

Most fire policies have provisions to pay any such expenses.

17 posted on 01/16/2004 12:05:28 PM PST by DeFault User
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To: AreaMan
Sometimes common sense is missing.
18 posted on 01/16/2004 12:07:09 PM PST by cynicom
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To: AreaMan
We had something similar to this happen here back in the eighties, only it involved the closest EMS unit being called to a house just outside of their jurisdiction. The guy died. Most counties and cities around here have worked out "overlaps" where things like this won't happen again.
19 posted on 01/16/2004 12:07:51 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Proud member of the right wing extremist Neanderthals.)
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To: AreaMan
Does Ohio not have community agreements for emergency services? We live in an small town and have agreements with several surrounding towns for coverage. We always have several towns on the scene for a large fire or mass casualty.
20 posted on 01/16/2004 12:07:52 PM PST by armymarinemom (My Son Liberated the Honor Roll Students in Iraq)
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