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Muslims upset about removing scarves to get Alabama licenses
TuscaloosaNews.com ^ | January 15, 2004

Posted on 01/15/2004 6:25:51 PM PST by Sweet_Sunflower29

Some Muslim women in Alabama are upset because state driver's license officials are requiring them to remove their head scarves if they want to get a license.

"I wear this for religious reasons. I'm not taking it off," La Tonya Floyd of Mobile said Thursday.

Floyd said she left a driver's license office in Mobile on Dec. 19 after being told state rules require her hair to be visible in her license photograph. She appealed to the state Department of Public Safety in Montgomery for an exemption for religious reasons, but was turned down, she said.

She is one of more than 10 Muslim women from Mobile and Birmingham who complained to the Council on American-Islamic Relations. The Washington-based group wrote to Alabama Public Safety Director Mike Coppage asking the state to end its requirement for women to remove their head scarf, or hijab.

Department spokeswoman Dorris Teague said department officials were reviewing the matter. DPS officials later released a statement Thursday saying that it is necessary for a driver's license photo to clearly identify the individual. The statement said that DPS policy requires that photographs on Drivers Licenses "appear in such a way that would allow for the positive identification of individuals pictured on the license."

Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, said most states - including Florida, Mississippi and Tennessee - have policies that allow people to wear head coverings for religious and medical reasons, such as cancer patients who have lost their hair. The rules provide that the coverings can't obscure the person's face.

Last June, a Muslim woman in Florida lost a suit in which she sought to have her driver's license photo made with a veil. Florida had originally allowed her to get a driver's license wearing a veil, but the state changed its policy to require a full-face photo after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The scarves at issue in Alabama cover the hair, ears and neck, but not the face, Hooper said.

Boyd Campbell, a Montgomery attorney who specializes in immigration law, said banning head scarves makes no sense when Alabama allows men to wear hair pieces and women to wear wigs in their driver's license photos.

"What's the difference?" Campbell asked.

Floyd maintains that a photo in a scarf would be better because it would represent the way she should would look if stopped by a law enforcement officer or going through a security checkpoint.

She said Alabama's policy doesn't appear to be enforced consistently because she has talked to Muslim women who got driver's licenses in Alabama while wearing scarves. In one case, a Muslim woman stepped into a private room and allowed a female employee to verify that the hair color she put on her license application was correct, Floyd said.

Floyd, who moved to Mobile from Dallas last year, said she had no problem getting a license in Texas while wearing a scarf.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aliens; muslimamericans; photoid
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
bump!!!
21 posted on 01/15/2004 7:00:34 PM PST by southland
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Dear MOOSELIMS, we live in a open society here in America. Nothing is hidden from view If you don't like it go back to where you came from and the sooner the better.
22 posted on 01/15/2004 7:13:29 PM PST by winker
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To: Guillermo
Genesis 16

11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

23 posted on 01/15/2004 7:13:31 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
La Tonya Floyd

Any bets that she's not Arabic, but African-American? You know she's not blonde with blue eyes.
24 posted on 01/15/2004 7:18:16 PM PST by 11B3 (Democratic Socialists of America: 78 members in Congress. Treason? YES.)
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
This is stupid, for two reasons.

1. This is not a matter of religious discrimination. No Islamic countries allow women to drive except for Egypt. In Saudi Arabia, they would be pulled from the driver seat and beaten severely for even getting behind the wheel. Even in Egypt, women are required to get their ID photo without their veils on.

2. This is not an Islamic country. If she wants a drivers license, she needs to meet the standards of the law. Given that there is a real need for the authorities to determine that the driver is eligible to drive, and the fact that there is no real privacy violation going on by asking for a photo ID to do so, this woman doesn't have a leg to stand on.

25 posted on 01/15/2004 7:26:29 PM PST by Steel Wolf
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Floyd said she left a driver's license office in Mobile on Dec. 19 after being told state rules require her hair to be visible in her license photograph. She appealed to the state Department of Public Safety in Montgomery for an exemption for religious reasons, but was turned down, she said.

Freedom of religion is a right. Nobody's denying her that.

Freedom of speech is a right. Nobody's denying her that, either.

Driving is not a right. Those who issue driver's licenses get to make and enforce the rules. I think they're doing us a favor keeping people off the road who have a problem following rules.

26 posted on 01/15/2004 7:30:26 PM PST by VoiceOfBruck (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than two of my guns.)
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To: Baynative
The word medical proceeded religious in the sentence specifying wigs.
27 posted on 01/15/2004 7:33:10 PM PST by Herodotus
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
This problem arose when I was a visiting professor in Turkey. Turkish law prohibits wearing headscarves (hijabs) on government property, including universities. Some of the university women wor them anyway (the law wasn't really enforced), and insisted that they looked that way, so the photos on their ID cards should include the hijabs. It resulted in a riot on another campus that led to two student deaths. The next day my campus was covered with cops in riot gear, and there was a tank parked at the main gate.
29 posted on 01/15/2004 7:42:05 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (All political power grows from the barrel of a gun. -- Mao Zedong. That's why the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: Baynative
La Tonya has no concept of what you so accurately site.

Prairie
30 posted on 01/15/2004 7:50:18 PM PST by prairiebreeze (God Bless and Protect the Allied Troops. And the families here at home---they are soldiers too.)
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To: AAABEST
Amazing how the Bible is the most current book there is.
31 posted on 01/15/2004 7:54:28 PM PST by Guillermo (It's tough being a Miami Dolphins fan)
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To: JoeFromSidney
Turkey knows what a problem they can become and where you have to nip it in the bud.
32 posted on 01/15/2004 7:56:23 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Muslims upset about removing scarves to get Alabama licenses

Americans upset about removing shoes to board airplanes.

33 posted on 01/15/2004 7:59:33 PM PST by Pappy Smear
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To: festus
Wasn't there a case where the woman claimed she needed the veil picture on her license due to religious needs but it turned out she had a criminal record and wanted it a future dodge.
34 posted on 01/15/2004 7:59:52 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Proud member of the right wing extremist Neanderthals.)
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To: 11B3
"Any bets that she's not Arabic, but African-American?"

I wouldn't take that bet. It's a looser.

35 posted on 01/15/2004 8:01:28 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: Guillermo
That's what blows me away, the incredible science of it.
36 posted on 01/15/2004 8:01:42 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29

37 posted on 01/15/2004 8:02:48 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Some Muslim women in Alabama are upset because state driver's license officials are requiring them to remove their head scarves if they want to get a license.

Cry me a river and fill it with herring.

You want to be good little observant Muslim property females? DON'T GET BEHIND THE WHEEL!

38 posted on 01/15/2004 8:04:57 PM PST by Alouette (Proud parent of an IDF recruit!)
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To: 11B3
Any bets that she's not Arabic, but African-American?

Any bets she's no African anything? Just plain black American trash?!

39 posted on 01/15/2004 8:06:07 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: CaptRon
"Speaking for myself, that would depend on the form."

Why do you think they wear veils and robes?

40 posted on 01/15/2004 8:09:19 PM PST by blackbart.223
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