Posted on 01/15/2004 9:49:14 AM PST by Theodore R.
LOL
I don't remember a lot of the particulars, just that it looked like a riot was about to break out on the convention floor. :)
Of course I don't remember what I watched on TV yesterday either.
It's not as if Bush has a record of being an immigration hard liner. He was pushing for an amnesty before 9/11, during the campaing he said "family values don't stop at the Rio Grande," and he has a history of campaigning to Americans in a foreign language. (Just imagine what Teddy Roosevelt would have said about that stunt).
Weren't nearly _one_ million illegals deported when Eisenhower terminated the "bracero" program years ago?
The nation was only half the size it is today, so deporting one million then would be the equivalent of expelling 2 million today.
If Eisenhower (and America) could show one million "the door", we can do that to as many as are here now. It is a question of national will and determination, not one of numbers.
Unfortunately, the will to do so isn't there. Immigration "reform" will indeed pass, legalization of the illegal will occur, and 20 years from now, there will be 30-40 _million_ illegals in the country, at least.
They are either going back, or they're staying. If they stay, they will be legalized, one way or another (even through the birth of children here, if it takes that long). And if they stay, more will come.
Is it your wish that not even an _attempt_ be made at expelling the illegals?
Cheers!
- John
That does not need to be done. Just enforce the current laws and stop all welfare for illegals and they will leave on their own accord.
You ask where was I, and if I was I daydreaming?
If you must know, I was frolicking in the state of New Jersey where, yes -- I was daydreaming. Daydreaming about getting on my horse and having "my little friend" (insert voice of Al Pacino's 'Scarface') pay a visit to various over-activist Califoria courts and traitorous liberal judges over the usurping of the Peoples' authority. Reality is another matter...
OTOH, perhaps a certain GOP President might and his U.S. Attorney General may have a bit more pursuasive clout after the proper judicial appointments are made (yawn, if ever), and enforcement of the law upheld...
I originally posted this to FR on December 26, 2003:
As off-the-wall as it may sound, I believe the ONLY way for the United States to halt the "Mexican invasion" is to ASSIMILATE Mexico through conquest and partition it into several addition states of the Union. Yes, I am advocating an outright war of oocupation and conquest against Mexico.
Once the next war with Mexico has been won, the United States will have become -- at least temporarily -- a bilingual nation, but at the same time, we can equalize the economic imbalance that currently exists in the Northern Hemisphere and is pushing the poor of Mexico/Central America in our direction.
Conquering Mexico will also repair some of the damage done by NAFTA, by creating a minimum wage in Mexico and by forcing businessness there to operate on an equal footing with those north of the border (and that includes Canada, too). Of course, Mexicans will become entitled to Social Security benefits, but wasn't the Bush administration ready to pay them to Mexico _anyway_? Might as well make them contributors as well as payees.
I believe that Mexico could be invaded and conquered in a matter of days, with little bloodshed. Mexican soldiers would throw down their arms so fast it would make the French look courageous. Their government is so corrupt that a majority of Mexicans would probably _welcome_ its overthrow by the United States. I wonder -- if a poll could be taken today posing to Mexicans the question of unification with America -- what the true reponse of Mexicans might be?
Ultimately, the question becomes, do we let Mexico conquer us demographically through unopposed immigration, or do we pre-empt such action by assimilating them first?
Like the ongoing war between the West and Islam, one side must ultimately win over the other. Which side do YOU wish to emerge victorious?
Cheers!
- John
You start by penalizing the employers of these illegals and thereby cut off the jobs that entice these folks to break our laws and invade our Country. As the jobs dry up, the illegals will make their way back to their homelands, where they can petition for citizenship like all the other folks who yearn to live in America!!
FReegards...MUD
That's just it F16Fighter, some have all the excuses they need to quit before they even start.
Fact is, we made the (now voluntary) Employee Verification system mandatory, most would head home on their own. Just a few token round-ups to show we mean it, would send more packing.
We don't have to undertake any big effort, just show we have the will and are serious.
Why would our President who is to uphold and defend the Constitution by his solemn oath tell America that ISLAM is a religion of peace ?
Why? Because [IMHO] this country the land of the free and home of the brave the melting pot of world is also that melting pot for muslims from every stretch of the world to come out as president and say that Islam is evil would put every muslim at odds with every other american who dont believe in islam it would start an internal struggle and eventually a civil war within our borders !
Why would he give a so called worker status to mexico ? for the very same reason 12 million mexicans on this side of the border and countless other millions on the other side depend on the American money they send home [ granted these monies are sometimes ill gotten like social security not worked for and earned or forms of welfare not rightly deserved but still the same its American currency] it feeds their economy !
Now putting troops on the border is a good idea to check those coming across to work but putting them their to cut off the flow is a bad idea [IMHO] and heres why .
Mexico to most people is still in many places a third world country under a socialist rule they have no economy to speak of none that would sustain their millions of people so they come to America to work and feed their masses back home if we cut off the flow of workers from mexico we would literally starve and ruin millions of families granted not all are of the nature of working for family but i would think most are ! we would essentially start a war with a border country what do you think starving people with hungry children would do for food they would fight for it to the death .
I think GWB has good intentions but there needs to be a better plan of action than just this worker program .
My idea would be to annex mexico although i don't think they would agree to it but its just my idea !
Flame away fellow freepers
It is in the pride mainstream Americans take in their history; their founding fathers; the Constitution, which reflects the unique values of their history and founding fathers, etc.; that enables the decent to rally against the wiles of the demagogues, playing on discontent, seeking to buy support with special interest legislation. Without that sense of heritage, of family heritage, the battle is over. The Clintons--and damn the new Clinton, Karl Rove--will run roughshod over the debris of the American Republic--once they achieve true "multi-culturalism."
The reality is that 10,000,000 Mexicans, are 10,000,000 people with no interest in the legacy of Washington and Jefferson, Adams and Madison--and certainly not of a Jeffersonian named Sam Houston, down in Texas. The 10,000,000 Mexicans might be the brightest, most hard working people on the face of the earth (for the sake of argument). Their heritage is one that sees itself as having been victimized by ours. Only a moron or someone truly despicable would suppose that we would not pay a terrible price, if we allow our politicians for imagined benefit of the moment, to seriously shift the ethnicity of America in this manner.
No it is not "politically correct." And why is that so? Because the whole "politically correct" syndrome has been concocted by the Left to prevent a reassertion of American national values; values which are totally inconsistent with Socialism; with World Government; with any and all of the prime objectives of the modern Left.
The time for pussy-footing around these issues has to stop, or we are going to lose the war. It is that simple. Once the percentage of those who do not feel a part of the American tradition that flows from those settler peoples who created the traditional America reaches a critical level, you will really see the politicians move Left. And we will be powerless to stop them, short of another Revolution.
For a sane and patriotic immigration policy, see Immigration & The American Future.
William Flax
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