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Please recommend a good handgun

Posted on 01/15/2004 6:59:37 AM PST by Charlotte M. Corday

I need the advice of an expert. Two nights ago, in nearby community, a high school football coach and his teenage son were murdered by a home invader. In the wake of this, I have finally decided to buy a gun and take a class in how to use it.

Here's what I am looking for in a handgun:

1. Easy to use, but not easy to discharge accidentally.

2. Powerful enough to stop an attacker, but not difficult for a small woman to handle.

What would you suggest?


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To: archy
I once cleared out a semitrailer load of 9mm Parabellum with three other guys in a bit over a week. 64 rounds to the box, 20 boxes per ammo can, two cans per crate, 48 crates per pallet, 40 pallets to the truckload.

This is just under 5 million rounds. Roughly your share would be 1, 650, 000 rounds

Next question that comes to mind........I know it's rude to ask but how's your hearing? LOL

241 posted on 01/15/2004 12:15:33 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: archy
I can't tell. I'm distacted by those legs and what looks like a magazine sticking out of the bottom of the stock. The stock doesn't look like a Mossberg any more either.
242 posted on 01/15/2004 12:19:04 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: GigaDittos
But are you any good?

It was more often a question of whether the mechanical devices I was function testing, or the lots of ammo expended worked as advertised. Most did, some didn't. A lot of the ammo I've expended was fired off just to see if it'd all go *bang* to check tracer test dates, or for other function/reliability tests.

Twice in the military I had to use a handgun, twice more in nonmilitary civilian world circumstances. I've used submachineguns in pistol calibers a few times as well, and I'm still around to give it another go if it comes to that, so I'm at least that good.

It's doubtful if the equipment and techniques I used would be those I'd try with others in my immediate life to protect. As a solitary individual, I can accept results that eliminate an adversary at the cost of my own life; a spouse or parent has additional responsibilities that make that end result not good enough.

But I'm certainly not as good as some I've known.

-archy-/-

243 posted on 01/15/2004 12:19:23 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: yarddog
In tight quarters, such as inside a house, I will take a handgun over a standard length shotgun everytime. I can move my hand and lower arm much quicker than I can swing my body to align a long gun on the target.
244 posted on 01/15/2004 12:22:26 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: Joe Brower
They're all good ~ try several different ones and purchase the one you like best.

Be Well ~ Be Armed ~ Be Safe ~ Molon Labe!
245 posted on 01/15/2004 12:23:40 PM PST by blackie
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To: Shooter 2.5
It does look like an air rifle with the slim barrel and the piece of metal in front of the stock.

On the other hand the rear sight is in the wrong place for the vast majority of sporter type air rifles.

246 posted on 01/15/2004 12:23:44 PM PST by yarddog
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To: B4Ranch
I think you are right but just to be sure I keep both plus a spear, a sword and several big sticks.
247 posted on 01/15/2004 12:25:30 PM PST by yarddog
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To: B4Ranch
Next question that comes to mind........I know it's rude to ask but how's your hearing? LOL

Completely gone on the right side, okay on the left. The unmuffled aircraft engines didn't help a bit either [I knew enough to wear serious hearing protectors by that point in my life] and neither did the time I've spent as a tank gunner, when sound waves popped off a steel wal a couple of inches from my right ear, CVC helmet or intercom headphones notwithstanding.

No, it's not rude. If somebody learns from my example and saves their own hearing when they're first starting out by buying the best eye and ear protection they can get for use in practice, it's not rude at all.

-archy-/-

248 posted on 01/15/2004 12:27:04 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: RiflemanSharpe
Well, at least with it, you won't have to worry about him coming back with a lawsuit.
249 posted on 01/15/2004 12:31:20 PM PST by Maigrey (Cows: The perfect Animal. Eat their meat, boil their bones for Soup, and Wear their Skin for Clothes)
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To: yarddog
Just the other night I heard a strange noise in the back of the house (inside). I was able to keep my handgun aimed into the doorway while I turned doorknobs to open the doors.

With a long gun I would not have been able to keep it aimed where I had chosen to with the handgun. The other thing with a long gun that I don't like is corners. You must expose to much for my comfort in order to aim properly.

250 posted on 01/15/2004 12:31:31 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: yarddog
Just the other night I heard a strange noise in the back of the house (inside). I was able to keep my handgun aimed into the doorway while I turned doorknobs to open the doors.

With a long gun I would not have been able to keep it aimed where I had chosen to with the handgun. The other thing with a long gun that I don't like is corners. You must expose to much for my comfort in order to aim properly.

251 posted on 01/15/2004 12:31:33 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: Charlotte M. Corday
Ruger SP-101
I love mine, and carry it everywhere.
By the bed at night.
All the comments about it, and those about small .357
revolvers are right on.
In any event, get a revolver.
252 posted on 01/15/2004 12:32:58 PM PST by 2Am4Sure
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To: Charlotte M. Corday
I like a Colt Walker Dragoon - .44 caliber. Not exactly the best gun for a little lady though.

I think a shotgun is a better self-defense weapon than a handgun. If you are a good shot with nerves of steel, even a .22 in the right spot can stop somebody. Ask the Mafia - all their hitman prefer them - small, quiet, neat, just right for that close up feeling.
253 posted on 01/15/2004 12:36:13 PM PST by ZULU (Remember the Alamo!!!!!)
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To: in the Arena
B4, Sounds like you've got a keeper, see archy's comments in post #200...

I bought that Airweight for my wife (at the time) to use as a CCW. Turned out no matter what I did I couldn't get her to consistently carry it. Ended up using it while riding my m/c with her on the back. A 1911 in a holster interfered with her riding comfort if you can imagine (it's not called the B-Seat for nothing)...and I don't like shoulder holsters. The Airweight fit a J-frame Bianchi holster and was able to tuck right in between us. I sometimes carried it just shoved in my right rear jeans pocket or one of the zippered pockets on my jacket...it was quite accurate for a snubbie...I had nowhere near 1000 rounds through it before I sold it so can't attest to the strength.

I can use a vertical-carry shoulder rig with a full-size M1911 or Browning GP, or a PPK/Makarov. I'm less fond of them for revolvers, but have successfully used ankle rigs while on a motorcycle [illegal in Georgia, though] and back when I was a motorcycle cop. Note that I carried my Browning in a full-flap military holster for protection from the elements and security, and it still required daily cleaning. I sometimes changed uniform trousers three times a day when road grime was prevalent or it was dusty. That stuff is hard on a weapon, too, and even one carried concealed requires daily inspection.

-archy-/-

254 posted on 01/15/2004 12:36:20 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Charlotte M. Corday

255 posted on 01/15/2004 12:38:24 PM PST by New Horizon
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To: Beelzebubba
Myth. Getting hit has no more knockdown force than the shooter experiences in recoil. You might knock someone off balance, and ther is a natural instinct to fall down when you think you are shot, but a handgun round won't push someone through the air like they do in the movies.

Depends entirely on the handgun. But in general, you're right.


256 posted on 01/15/2004 12:39:26 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: wtc911
I agree....at night at home...groggy...I prefer a wheelgun.

24/7 in Injun Cuntry is another matter.....1911 style sidearm and maybe an FN-LAR or Bushy or HK...whatever.


Office Gun: Taurus 99 with a 30 round extenda clip...feels like a Mac.

Bedside for Daddy: insta punch safe with .45 Long Colt Vaquero or matching .44 Mag or NAM .380 Guardian if all is lost..lol

Bedside for Mrs. Daddy: Smith and Wesson .28 alloy 342PD (11oz, a whipsnaaper)

Within a few leaps: Big Guns

All firearms loaded with flesh rounds not target.
257 posted on 01/15/2004 12:41:31 PM PST by wardaddy ("either the arabs are at your throat, or at your feet")
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To: B4Ranch
With a long gun I would not have been able to keep it aimed where I had chosen to with the handgun. The other thing with a long gun that I don't like is corners. You must expose to much for my comfort in order to aim properly.

Yep. And two other very useful tools at such times, a flashlight and a cellphone, are also much easier to use in conjunction with a handgun rather than a shotgun.

There are combinations of the various devices, of course, and there are one-hand-usable rifles and shotguns, but in general, the handgun is a better pick if your other hand is going to be occupied carrying something else useful. Like the light, cellphone- or shotgun.

-archy-/-

258 posted on 01/15/2004 12:42:55 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Charlotte M. Corday
12 gauge shot gun 7+1 rounds of buck shoot and a 2 1911's to back that up.

You'll be out about 1500.00 but then ask your self whats your life worth?
259 posted on 01/15/2004 12:45:38 PM PST by ezo4
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To: Charlotte M. Corday
"I have finally decided to buy a gun and take a class in how to use it."

Okay the two cents of a certified instructor (ME). You have taken the most important first step that you possibly can. There is another step to take and that is not which gun. There are tons of informed opinions here about that. MY suggestion to you is to go to a gun show and....ahem...."fondle" as many as you can. Pick them up, hold them in your hand. Take a sight picture. Imagine carrying it either on your person in a holster or in your purse. Can you access it quickly? Can your trigger finger easily reach the trigger? Ask permission to "dry fire" the gun at the table. Is the trigger firm enough that you KNOW it's being pulled but not so heavy as to disturb the sight picture? Even a .22 can have an excessively heavy "pull" and using a gunsmith to alter the pull weight might not play well in court. Better to find a factory trigger you can use well.

I would recommend nothing smaller than a 9mm in semi auto or a 38sp in a revolver (even .380 is too small IMHO), but YOU must decide. Nobody ever died of a loud noise. You should get the biggest caliber you can shoot and hit with, consistently. Everything, in the final analysis is shot placement anyway. If you must use a .22, you must be able to consistently hit the eyeball under stress. Remember that standard in relation to caliber size. Israeli MOSSAD uses .22's but they hit the eyeball...and it's instantly "lights out."

I let my clients for the Florida concealed weapons permit pick out their gun, then I teach them to use and carry it well. When you find your gun, you'll know it. It will just feel right. Like "Excalibur" fit the boy King. To my wife, a Colt Combat Commander .45 "felt" right. I taught her to use THAT gun. Now she has her very own and loves it. For my daughter it was a Ruger SP101 in .357 magnum with a 3 inch barrel. That was her graduation present a couple of years ago when she got her degree. Now, she's getting married and I have to make sure her husband is as good at handling the gun as she. Choice of weapon and caliber is all secondary. Getting the certified instructor to teach you is the first step. Here is the next:

Join an IDPA (International Defensive Pistol Assoc) shooting club and PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE! This group uses real life street scenarios to instill proper mindset and use of good tactical doctrine. Being able to punch holes in a paper target is not the same as self defense! IDPA will teach you to use cover; draw properly; shoot from uncomfortable and odd positions; shoot and reload on the move....and it will let you do so with safety officers and some very experienced folks (people who have often "been there and done it" for real) helping. AND it's TONS of fun!

260 posted on 01/15/2004 12:47:15 PM PST by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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